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Included on my list for potential new speakers are the Andrew Jones designed Source Point 888. However I just looked at the MoFi site and see both the SP 8 and SP 10 are being offered at discounts. Both models generated quite a bit of interest when introduced not that long ago. So why discount relatively new speakers?
Was there limited interest and now sales dried up?
Have owners reported dissatisfaction which killed new sales?
Is there simply too much competition at the original prices?
Discounting any nearly new speaker gives cause to wonder about other models from that company So now I'm wondering if further interest in the 888 makes sense?
Whichever speaker I decide on will need to be purchased with a return option since none are offered at my singular local dealer.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho
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I would not worry that much about discounting as indicating anything about the quality/value of the speaker. Mo-Fi might have initially priced the speaker to recoup substantial development cost (these speakers are wholly new designs--new drivers, cabinets, unique baffle, and crossover. After designing the SP10, the other models are mere variants that did not cost nearly as much to develop. Andrew Jones has said that the SP8 is just a slightly smaller cone without any other major changes to the design.
After the initial buzz and rush to buy a new product fades, a discount may be warranted to keep sales up to production capability even if the product is good. All audiophile products are selling into a limited market where demand can be saturated quickly which means discounting to maintain volume.
I have heard the SP10 and SP8 and I think they are decent speakers. They are a bit on the leaner and "dry" side for my taste (i.e., they sound like many modern speakers), but, they are quite dynamic and fun to listen to and will play with somewhat lower powered amplifiers. The price was, to me, quite reasonable even before any discounting.
Have not heard any of them but if I could afford any of the three and I had the living room space, I think I would buy the 888s.Remembering, of course, that a good match between room size/type and speaker size/type is very important:
Primary Diffs ?
-Price, couple of thousand more. But money well spent, I think.
-Bass extension = significantly better.
-Soundstage size (H + W) = much bigger, for more fun and more seating options.
- More desirable tonal balance (subjective)
NO affiliations.
Once again, I'm basing my "preference" for the 888 only on reviews and measurment graphs I've read so far.
I like the looks of these speakers too. They also seem to be very well built.
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The SP 888 is basically an SP 8 with woofers handling the lower octaves. The woofers add bass but they also improve the mid range because the mid range now only moves significantly less than it had to when it also handled bass. Plus there's an improvement in the coax affect because the cone moving less interacts less with the coax tweeter.
Speakers are personal. There are a number of really good ones although they don't sound exactly the same; they have different pluses and minuses. If you like Andrew's type of voicing they will be wonderful speakers for you that score way above their price range. Andrew Jones is one of a number of designers who actually knows why his speakers perform as they do.
Personally I think they are garbage and he should work the fields to pick up potatoes
You certainly are in a sparse field.
No wonder TAD picked him to design their contraptions for American market. They knew the elevated taste of Las Vegas dwellers.
Because that's what I observed lately in regards to electronics and speakers. I bought some old Naim pieces of sh. And lo and behold I'm quite taken by that dreck.
We all get old and mellow down so maybe I should keep quiet about Andrew Jones speakers. There is an army of engineers at KEF after all. They collectively beat everybody in the business in designing for robots and humanoids.
What other speakers are on your shopping list?
Gsquared
Edits: 11/05/24
Hi G Sq. I didn't list other candidates because all speakers have tradeoffs and I wanted to focus on possible reasons whether or not to remove the 888 from my list.
The real question is what am I looking for? My basics are accurate musical tone, bass extension to about 40 Hz, at least average to broad dispersion, cabinet less than 12" wide (888 and some fail this), price hopefully < $5K.
Then, others on my list = Philharmonic BMR Tower, PS Audio Aspen FR 5, and Totem Bison Twin Tower.
Thanks for any further thoughts.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho
What about KEF LS60?
I've only heard th BMRs. They sounded very nice and I think they meet your criteria. I bought a pair of Dennis Murphy modded Pioneer monitors. He lives near me. A nice and interesting guy.
Gsquared
I get the vibe that his speaker building is a labor of love.
FWIW & YMMV... but they do have an MBG, right?
john
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