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I have a 30 years old speaker which has 16 AWG Van Den Hul CS series stranded internal wire there.
I want to replace those wire to UP-OCC solid core. Should I use smaller gauge like 18AWG because of solid core?
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The American wire gauge or AWG is a standardized system to measure wire so 18 AWG is the same whether it's solid or stranded core. Solid core wire is cheaper to manufacture than stranded core and stranded wire has less skin effect than solid core that's why you see stranded core used internally in speakers and speaker cables.
So, let's talk about wire the less resistance simply means the more currant or say signal from your amp that gets to your speaker. The UP-OCC copper wire claims less resistance than OFC copper wire and that is false. Let's compare a better conductor like silver to copper everyone knows silver is the best electric conductor in the world and better than copper how much better about 5% so if a 16 AWG copper wire 1000 FT in length has 4 OHM resistance and a 1000 FT 16 AWG silver wire has 3.2 OHM resistance is 0.8 OHM enough of a difference to justify the cost silver wire NO!! when you can just use 14 AWG copper that has a resistance of 2.5 OHM per 1000 FT and is much cheaper than the 16 AWG silver that is why we don't see the world's best conductor silver being used in place of copper.
So, when it comes down to UP-OCC vs OFC is there a benefit NO!! And even if OP-OCC was a better conductor than OFC you could just simply increase the gauge of OFC wire to compensate. Speaker wire should not be a mystery we can measure wire all wire has capacitance inductance and resistance and can be easily measured. Ask yourself this why do manufactures measure amplifiers, phono cartridges, cd players, speakers and release that information to the consumer but cable manufactures will never measure much less release that information to the audio consumer. Until Manufactures measure and release wire / cable specifications we will know all there marketing claims are lies and garbage. Audio gear and speakers don't exist without science, but magic cables have existed since the early 80's backed not by proven scientific data but backed by Pseudoscience and clever marketing.
Use two strands of these for mids and highs loosely twisted and three for woofers.
Don't even have to think about it, its drop the mic good.
Duelund AWG 20 CC08, solid copper wire, cotton & oil insulated
Its like Franks Hot Sauce.
Thank me later
J.
Franks red hot sauce I put that shit on everything!!!!
I have that wire. I like it, but I don't know about drop-the-mic good.. I guess I'm partial to the sound of foamed teflon and foamed polyethylene dielectrics, involving things like silver, Palladium. But these things have gotten way too expensive..
Silver, Palladium might have a slight edge to them vs Duelund. This may come across as a bump in clarity or treble.
Depends what you're looking/listening for in sound.
J.
I made up some speaker wires using Radio Shack hook up wire for my daughter's bedroom system and they worked well. About four or five years later I was going to do the same for my son's bedroom system, but I discovered that Radio Shack had changed from using virgin copper for their hook up wire to using recycled copper where they melted down all sorts of used copper and drew wire from resulting metal. I don't know if this mattered, but I chose to avoid it.
I dream of an America where a chicken can cross the road without having it's motives questioned.
about how your speakers' sound? Is the wire rotted/not working? AWG will matter more as the sensitivity of speaker drops and more power needs to be pumped through those wires.
I would use the 18 gauge solid core because it will be much easier to work with than 16 gauge solid core, and the 18 will be very adequate.
Some says larger wire size such as 14AWG is necessary for the bass unit.
... are reasonably well established. One foot of 14 gauge wire, whether stranded or solid, has about 0.003 ohms of resistance, though solid may have slightly less resistance. For an 8 ohm speaker that would represent 0.04% of the circuit's total resistance (ignoring any impact of a crossover circuit).
If you use one foot of 18 gauge wire, the resistance doubles to 0.006 ohms, or now 0.08% of the circuit's resistance.
Oh, and don't forget to double the numbers since you have two runs of wire, one for positive and one for negative.
Silver wire is about 7% more conductive than copper.
Note we are talking about a speaker's internal wiring which would typically be very short distances. In terms of resistance, the crossover circuit will have far more impact if the speaker has an inductor in series with the woofer since they have a much longer length of much smaller gauge wire wound into a coil.
Stranded wire is often used for high frequency circuits, but this doesn't become an issue until one is WAY beyond audio frequencies, i.e., radio frequencies. The more common reason to choose between stranded and solid wire has more to do with flexibility and termination issues.
Or, you can take the subjectivist approach and ignore the numbers. Try wiring the speaker both ways and see which you like the best.
About 45 years ago (around 1979), my friend Dr. Richard Greiner, an AES Fellow (now deceased), did a study of various cables for loudspeakers - capacitance, inductance, and resistance, at audio frequencies. He concluded that plain old 12 gauge stranded twisted pair copper worked just fine at audio frequencies. I don't remember if he did any measurements on the various types of copper wire (oxygen-free, etc.), and I don't know if he ever published the study. I've got it around here somewhere.
As importantly, does anyone here know of any similar science-based study which has been done since then? If so, I, for one, would very much like to read it!
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The hardest part is finding a Radio Shack. I actually made a pair, and I temporarily loaned them to a friend that used them with Quad electrostats. He said they worked very well, and he claims he can definitely hear cable differences. He went onto Sound Lab A1 speakers driven by Audio Matiere tube electronics.
given the era. Kind of like the funny Stereo Review "Dares to Tell the Truth" article circa '83 where they compare three types of zip and concluded only gauge mattered.
Now far lower EDC cables are available that work better for my stats than zip.
Was he burned at the stake as a heretic by the Golden Eared?
Edits: 09/09/24
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