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It seems like 'scoring' and counseling people on how to commit what is effectively theft and/or bragging about it seems to be an integral part of the vintage audio hobby.
Do you agree or disagree?
Are there just a few bad apples out there that are ruining it for the rest of us? Or is 'scoring'-by any means necessary-up to and including pilferage a key fundamental defining characteristic of this hobby?
Case in point. The admin on another popular forum suggested to a member who received a damaged piece of gear that he quietly 'help himself' to a piece of it. Even though the claim with both the seller and the shipper had been settled with the buyer receiving full reimbursement. And was simply waiting to have the damaged item picked up.
The argument was made that "well it was going to be tossed anyway" and "it's a hard to obtain part that's irreplaceable".
So are we entering a truly murky area where principle trumps honesty if not legality?
The admin on this site was called out on it with a local penal code statute cited.
The post in question immediately disappeared.
What kind of message does that send to the rest of the group?
So back to my original question. Where does one draw the line with ethics, morality, and honesty in this hobby? Do they even exist at all or is it every man for himself and 'anything goes' and 'do unto others before they do unto you'?
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I don't see an issue. One one hand he scored an incredible deal on stuff he may not use, and he'll sell the rest to fund other audio deals. So long as he bought them honestly, aside from a little boasting, he's clear.Should I be ashamed for buying mint Klipsch Heresy speakers at auction for $40 (which I did)? Hardly.
His example cited someone suggested keeping something to which he had no legal title. That's theft; quite a big difference.
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Interesting that you start this thread and then the one in the link below.
What kind of message does that send to the rest of the group?
Hopefully all are adult enough to take it for what it is, that the admin in question has an under developed moral code
I guess if your own code of conduct mirrors that of your audience, any dissenting opinion is going to be met with hostility.I think deep down, most of us DO know right from wrong. But the Internet, an economically depressed economy, and a culture of addiction, all make for a highly toxic and dangerous mix where ethics can quickly be thrown out the window. And herd/mob mentality takes over.
Especially if you want to fit in.
"Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone. Conform or be cast out"
-Rush ~"Subdivisions"
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What part of this don't I understand??
If the dead carcass is truly going to be scrapped by the carrier, isn't preservation beneficial to us all?
Never heard about this sort of behavior. It's a shame that anyone would even entertain the thought. I'm into the hobby myself and have always bought and sold honestly. When I sold my B&W CM5 on ebay I stated in the auction there was damage to the tweeter but did not show in the photo. Hell a lot of my vintage audio usually goes to friends who don't have a stereo at all. Gave my Bang & Olufsen Beosound Century 2000 away to a friend who didn't have anything to play her CDs on. Even donated a set of JBL! L-16 Decade, Avid Model 110 to my local Goodwill. Gave lots of audio away. Could have sold it all for cash but I like giving my stuff to family and friends who never get to hear decent audio. The only thing I always hope is that it goes to a good home and is taken care of. To answer the question I would say draw the line at stealing/theft. Also one should be honest if they sell their equipment, tell what you know and if you don't know just say so. I try to help others in audio so yes there are still good guys out there, I like to think I'm one of them.
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