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In Reply to: RE: ELF AUDIO is GONE! posted by rzigray@wrmills.com on July 02, 2009 at 08:32:48
It seems your complaints may have driven him to change his company name and drop off Audiogon. I have no way of knowing if you or he was telling the truth. His actions lead me to believe that you are more credible than he seems to be.
-Wendell
Follow Ups:
Hello Wendell,
I changed my business name because there is another Elf Audio that sells car audio online and they own the domain name..check out their site.
If you go to audiogon and look up my feedback I was still getting great feedback during and even after this Rudy thing.
Rudy did not cause me to change my business name, another business with the same excact name was the reason I changed my name.
Rudy was the only customer out of several hundred satified customers that had an issue,Rudy really didn't even affect my business so why would I up and change over him?
See the link it shows you why I changed my business name.
ELF Audio has been around forever along with the phony ELF Audio who is a troll named Ernest Lee Farley. See the troll never had a problem with another company having the same name because he may get a few strays from the other legitmate business, thinking he was one and the same. Genius actually just like how he scammed members on audiogon. When he was exposed, he tried to change his name claiming a problem with another existing company that has been around longer than he has.
So Ernest you have been around for over 5 years and all this time you werent aware of another company with the same name that has been here all along?
Hmmm... you know you would stay up late at night googling "elf Audio" to see how many links you had....what a pathetic troll...
If this customer was so unhappy with your product, why did you not accept a return of the product. Now you are in a pissing contest with the guy and having your buisness smeared in the process. you could blow out the returned cable as a demo.
Did you ever move forward with a complaint. The more I think about your situation and the situation I encountered (with all my still unanswered questions), some sort of response to Audiogon is probably warranted. Let me know your thoughts. NMC
PS- I don’t dwell on it much but your email caused me to mull it over again.
From: (deleted by me)
To:rzigray@fastmail.fm [Add]
Date:Wed, 27 May 2009 3:03 PM (2 months ago)
Show originalShow full headerHello. My comments in ELFs feedback refer to a situation where I bought an
expensive ($500+) Jolida CD player from him and never received it. After
much back and forth with both ELF and USPS, I am still undecided about what
happened.
ELF said he shipped it to me but could not provide relevant backup data. He
said he did not keep USPS receipts for long. USPS said the tracking number
provided by ELF was for a very small package- a cable, I believe, which is
what I think he mainly sells- sent around the time of my "scheduled"
delivery to a nearby Mclean, VA address, but not MY address. He said the
package was insured, but that USPS would not pay up on the insurance because
the package WAS in fact delivered, just not my package (which would have
weighed 20 lbs).
Since his documentation was fuzzy and the USPS had their documentation
painting a different story, I tentatively concluded that ELF had never
mailed a package TO ME (I have a 90% feeling this). However, there is a
slight chance (10%) that he told the truth and the USPS lost the package.
ELF did work out a deal with me involving some cash back and a few sets of
his Gold Helix ICs. These came through OK and the product is good.
That is my view on things.
I will keep your situation in confidence and appreciate your discretion on
my viewpoint.
Sincerely,
I too was scammed by Ernest..(a 29 year old ghetto weeb, living with his parents, no job)
The original transaction started when Rudy bought a pair of Au24 speaker cables from me which he claims he never received even though the USPS Delivery Confirmation number claims he received the package.Rudy later demanded a full refund and I would not give it to him because the package was delivered.Rudy sent several crazy emails to me stating he would post on Audiogon and the AudioAsylum to destroy my business if I didn't give him a full refund and I told him to go ahead do what you had to do. After Rudy saw I was firm in my stance he completely changed his approach and asked could he get a partial refund and some of my cables. I accepted his offer because I really didn't want any bad blood with a customer. I sent Rudy $400 and some of my cables... after he got the cables and the money he then began his rant on the cable asylum about how I scammed him.
Bottom line is Rudy was mad that I would not give him a full refund...so he did what he had to do to get a $400 partial refund and cables from me...after he received the $400 and cables he reverted back to the crazy rude Rudy and posted here that I scammed him.
Hello Rudy,
I'm very sorry for this inconvienence. I have heard of the horror stories concerning USPS,but I use them almost everytime and have never had any problems like this before. I checked the tracking number and it did say it was delivered. I have your address written down on the delivery confirmation slip,and it matches your confirmed paypal address. You are out of $861.00 and I am out of the cables....this sucks for us both. I will contact my local branch and find out what can be done. Hopefully they made some mistake,and the cables will show up. I will never use USPS again for anything valuable again!
What about the guy in January, listed in your audiogon feedback? Everyone take a look at the USPS problem in january!
Hello Rudy,
Again I apologize for the inconvenience. I agree it is not your fault,you did your part by paying for the cables,but it is not my fault either,I did my part by shipping the cables and providing you the tracking number.I am a little confused myself because the tracking number says the package was delivered to you. You have great feedback as do I,which leads me to believe you,but you must understand my position on this as it seems like an easy way to get a free pair of cables.
Anyhow, give me a couple days to see what happened to the package,worse case scenario I can offer you $861.00 worth of my Golden speaker cables and interconnects shipped via FedEx Ground.
Kind Regards,
Ernest Lee Farley III of ELF Audio
Here is a copy and paste of the trolls emails, you can see for yourself. No where did I ask for his garbage wire. This is his MO and he insisted I take his trash as a remedy for the situation. The same thing he did for this gentleman....pasted below as well... You can see it is he who made the offer not me....total proof this guy is a scammerRudy,
> >
> > I see you already filed a complaint with paypal. I will send this link to
> > paypal
> > http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/InterLabelInquiry.do?origTrackNum=03082040000037156177
> > to prove I did my part,paypal will make a decision on the out come based
> > on the facts presented by both parties. I will also forward them a copy
> > of the delivery confirmation slip,that has your confirmed paypal address
> > on it.
> >
> > I will no longer work with you because you filed a claim with paypal,I
> > will let paypal handle this. I'm pretty confident that I will not be held
> > responsible for you not receiving your cables. In the mean time,you will
> > still be out of $861.00,so I don't see the point.
> >
> > To make us both happy,I will honor my offer of $400.00 plus a pair of my
> > Super Helix Gold speaker cables in the length of your choice,plus two
> > pair of matching interconnects if you cancel the paypal dispute.
> > Kind Regards,
> > Ernest Lee Farley III of ELF Audio
> > paypal email address:ernestfarley@att.net
Look at how this idiot says "I wont work with you, since you filed a dispute with paypal, then he says to make us both happy " I will honor my offer of.......what a dick....
Did you ever move forward with a complaint. The more I think about your situation and the situation I encountered (with all my still unanswered questions), some sort of response to Audiogon is probably warranted. Let me know your thoughts. NMCPS- I don’t dwell on it much but your email caused me to mull it over again.
From: (deleted by me)
To:rzigray@fastmail.fm [Add]
Date:Wed, 27 May 2009 3:03 PM (2 months ago)
Show originalShow full headerHello. My comments in ELFs feedback refer to a situation where I bought an
expensive ($500+) Jolida CD player from him and never received it. After
much back and forth with both ELF and USPS, I am still undecided about what
happened.ELF said he shipped it to me but could not provide relevant backup data. He
said he did not keep USPS receipts for long. USPS said the tracking number
provided by ELF was for a very small package- a cable, I believe, which is
what I think he mainly sells- sent around the time of my "scheduled"
delivery to a nearby Mclean, VA address, but not MY address. He said the
package was insured, but that USPS would not pay up on the insurance because
the package WAS in fact delivered, just not my package (which would have
weighed 20 lbs).Since his documentation was fuzzy and the USPS had their documentation
painting a different story, I tentatively concluded that ELF had never
mailed a package TO ME (I have a 90% feeling this). However, there is a
slight chance (10%) that he told the truth and the USPS lost the package.ELF did work out a deal with me involving some cash back and a few sets of
his Gold Helix ICs. These came through OK and the product is good.That is my view on things.
I will keep your situation in confidence and appreciate your discretion on
my viewpoint.Sincerely,
I too was scammed by Ernest..(a 29 year old ghetto weeb, living with his parents, no job)-----Original Message-----
From: rzigray@fastmail.fm [mailto:rzigray@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:20 AM
To: (deleted again by me)
Subject: A transaction with ELF AudioTO:
Hi,
If you would, please keep this confidential, until I find out whats going
on.Hi, My name is Rudolff Zigray. I recently purchased a pair of speaker
cables off of Ernest of Elf Audio. They were not Elf Audio Cables. They
were a 3 meter pair of Audience AU24e speaker cables. I paid 861 dollars
for the cables. Ernest shipped the cables USPS, with out no insurance or
Direct Signature. I never received my item. Nor based on the service
Ernest used, can I verify what address was on the box.Ernest tells me he never had an issue using USPS and this if the first time
anything like this happened. This is why he did not ship with insurance or
direct signature. He refused to refund my money but offered his cables
instead.Now, I am not sure what happened. Ernest seems to be honest. But when I
saw the feedback you left Elf Audio, You state you had an issue in which
something happened to your item, USPS screwed up? and Ernest gave you cables
instead? Was your item something other than Elf Cables?I am a member with oustanding feedback. I really appreciate if you could
please describe your experience with Ernest of Elf Audio. It will help me
in my situation right now. If I can be any help to you in the future,
please do not hesitate to ask. Again, I thank you for your time and
consideration into this matter.Kindest regards
Rudolff
Edits: 07/16/09 07/16/09
This if from the Audiogon dispute:
"After a week, June 2nd, I still don’t have 400 dollars or the cables… I email him asking how long it will be and he tells me he is waiting on spades. I say use bananas and please ship. We agreed in several emails to use a Postal Money order for my refund. I tell him to simply include a postal money order with my cables in the package. When I finally get the package, I opened it up and all that is in there were cables, no money order? I immediately email him and ask where my money order is? Audiophile36 tells me he put 400 dollars cash in the envelope with my cables. The cables came in a shipping envelope, he told me he put 400 dollars in between the cables. Who would put 400 dollars cash in a shipping envelope when he supposedly just had an issue where a package disappeared out of thin air??"
Why would you send cash? Who's to know you did or didn't?
-Wendell
Exactly Wendell, what manufacture sends you a partial refund in cash! He didnt send shit.
Why would you send cash and not demand signature verification of receipt of the package? Why wouldn't you send a business check that can be traced?
-Wendell
I did send the package with Signature verification and it was signed for by one of Rudys employees.Rudy has all his packages shipped to the factory where he works at so it is really no telling what could have happened to the package.All I know is that everytime I shipped to Rudy the package status was always DELIVERED.
Edits: 07/15/09 07/15/09
Hello Rudy,
I've been at Cedar Point with the family all day today and we just got home,boy am I tired. We have a deal my friend,$400 plus some cables.
Please cancel the paypal dispute,so we can move on to getting you some cables and your $400 refund. This go around I will ship your cables via FedEx ground with insurance and signature confirmation.
Hopefully the cables turn up at some point...talk to you soon Rudy.
Kind Regards,
Ernest Lee Farley III of ELF Audio
Hello Rudy,
>
> I responded to your paypal dispute to protect myself. I supplied paypal
> with the tracking number,and according to paypals findings the item was
> delivered to you. I think paypal is going to side with me on this one
> Rudy. At any rate, I will work with you on this matter to come to an
> amicable resolution.
> Kind Regards,
> Ernest Lee Farley III of ELF Audio
Hello Rudy,
> > >
> > > The box was of medium size,approximately 15" wide by 8" tall by 10" deep
> > > and was brown.
> > > I never get insurance for cables,because you cant really damage a cable
> > > from shipping,now amplifiers,turntables or speakers are another story and
> > > always get insurance. You could have easily requested that I have your
> > > package to have signature confirmation.It's not my fault that USPS was
> > > negligent with your package.How do I know that you don't have the
> > > cables?????? I hate that this has happened and I will never use USPS
> > > again if your cables indeed didn't arrive. I have never gone a day
> > > without responding to your emails.I get tons of emails a day and I
> > > respond to emails as fast as possible.
> > >
> > > You can open a dispute with audiogon and or paypal if you wish, If you
> > > wanted insurance or signature confirmation you should have asked for it.
> > > I always ship all my shipments with delivery confirmation,and insurance
> > > for heavier items that can be damaged by shipping.
Hello Rudy,
I'm very sorry for this inconvienence. I have heard of the horror stories concerning USPS,but I use them almost everytime and have never had any problems like this before. I checked the tracking number and it did say it was delivered. I have your address written down on the delivery confirmation slip,and it matches your confirmed paypal address. You are out of $861.00 and I am out of the cables....this sucks for us both. I will contact my local branch and find out what can be done. Hopefully they made some mistake,and the cables will show up. I will never use USPS again for anything valuable again!
What about the guy in January, listed in your audiogon feedback? Everyone take a look at the USPS problem in january!
Hello Rudy,
Again I apologize for the inconvenience. I agree it is not your fault,you did your part by paying for the cables,but it is not my fault either,I did my part by shipping the cables and providing you the tracking number.I am a little confused myself because the tracking number says the package was delivered to you. You have great feedback as do I,which leads me to believe you,but you must understand my position on this as it seems like an easy way to get a free pair of cables.
Anyhow, give me a couple days to see what happened to the package,worse case scenario I can offer you $861.00 worth of my Golden speaker cables and interconnects shipped via FedEx Ground.
Kind Regards,
Ernest Lee Farley III of ELF Audio
WOW YOU REALLY MEAN TO SAY THAT YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR A PARTIAL REFUND AND CABLES...
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH PLEASE EMAIL ME AND I WILL FORWARD YOU ALL OF OUR EMAIL CORRESPONDANCES.THIS EMAIL PROVES RUDY IS AGAIN LYING.
Flag this messageRe: Audiogon listing: Audience Au24 E 3M pair w/spadesFriday, May 22, 2009 6:47 PM
From: "Rudolff Zigray" detailsTo: "Ernest Farley"
Ernest,
You will recieve negative feedback, and I will make sure no one buys
your cables again. I will hit every forum imaginable...Every forum in
audiogon. Every forum on Audioasylum. I did not recieve the cables and
I did not threaten you. Its the shippers responsibity to make sure the
package arrives safely not the buyers. If you dont work with me at all,
I will file a law suit, a police report. You must insure a package in
case of loss. You dont really want to go this route...You are a business
for christ sake...I will post this email and all of our coorespondense
on audiogon. I will forward them to every member I have dealt with. If
none of this works...I will come see you...I promise on my Wifes life.
Do you have proof it was delivered????? I dont think so. You have no
signature. You have not shown me any paper work. I have no address.
The number you gave me was not a tracking number. I cant believe
someone with your feedback would get so slimey over 861 dollars....You
must at least give me a partial refund and some cables, I mean come on
Ernest. You know you made a mistake...You know you did...
Rudy
Try me...
=========================================================================
Wow Rudy you just got caught in a couple of your lies...remember when you said you weren't married which this email proves you are married which goes against your credibility...you also said you didn't ask for a partial refund and some of my cables which this email clearly states you did which is another strike on your credibility.
Funny how you edit the last couple lines....Your a troll and I will come see you...
Sure Rudy... I'll do you one better... if anybody wants to know email me and I will forward you all of our emails...then all will see how big a liar Rudy really is.
Troll,
You changed your name at this site! Audiogon cancelled your account! You cant sell anything on audiogon! You changed the look of product! You have been caught in hundreds of lies!
But I am the liar? No one will contact you for the emails....Anyone requests, I will post our entire correspondence here within minutes, you knumb scull
Good. Why would you send cash? That exposes both the seller and the buyer.
-Wendell
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