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In Reply to: RE: Dick Heyser: The only man am aware whom tried to cor-relate measurements with what we hear~nT posted by Cleantimestream on February 02, 2023 at 19:22:56

John Atkinson has striven to do that as well.

Maybe some day that dream will coalesce.

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Respectfully disagree, he SAID he would... he never came to ANY conclusions.~nT - Cleantimestream 10:28:47 02/03/23 (7)
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- Disagree if you will, but... - E-Stat 10:37:44 02/03/23 (6)
  more than one individual *have* gone down that theoretical path.
  - Heyser succeeded more than once in providing the sound link between perception and measurement-nT - Cleantimestream 09:08:15 02/04/23 (5)
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    The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.
    - The most important characteristics of sound can't be measured. Hel-loo! - geoffkait 13:20:32 02/08/23 (4)
      Examples: Transparency, rhythm, truthfulness to the recording venue, immediacy, naturalness, realism, airiness, wetness, dryness, lushness, being congealed, completeness, soundstage dimensionality.
      You assume way too much. Even Heyser admitted he was puzzled by lack of correlation between what he heard and what he measured. Obviously some things are measurable. Like frequency response and SNR. Duh! Alas, he died too soon, I could have straightened him out. If only he could have hung on for another 15 years or so.
      
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      - You must be prone to optometric abandon as I already said that~,nT - Cleantimestream 13:23:15 02/12/23 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: The most important characteristics of sound can't be measured. Hel-loo! posted by geoffkait on February 08, 2023 at 13:20:32
        
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        Give me some examples of what you mean. - geoffkait 06:36:32 02/13/23 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You must be prone to optometric abandon as I already said that~,nT posted by Cleantimestream on February 12, 2023 at 13:23:15
        
        What things do you hear that can't be measured?
        
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        RE: Give me some examples of what you mean. - tomservo 08:59:52 02/13/23 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Give me some examples of what you mean. posted by geoffkait on February 13, 2023 at 06:36:32
        
        I can describe a couple examples with loudspeakers, things like Heyser was after and what I have been working on for large scale sound..
        
        You have two different speakers, they each have a very similar spectrum / frequency response and when you walk into the room with them playing one at a time, they sound similar. With your eyes closed playing one at a time standing in front of them, it is easy to point at each BUT with one type it was easy to guess/localize how far away it was, while the other was easy to point at but how far away it sounded depended on the recording.
        
        In stereo, one pair virtually disappears within the phantom image, you may not even be aware of the speakers while the other pair presents a stereo image AND the right and left speakers stand out as part of the image.
        Same situation, two pairs of speakers with very similar response but in stereo one pair present the mono phantom voice as a person standing in front of you, the other presents a wall of that persons image and everything else.
        
        If you know what does these things, one can minimize them , to find the causes takes modifications, measurements and listening in a repeat as needed loop..
        
        Didn't you get the memo? More than one par of speakers in the room is a big no no. - geoffkait 06:28:28 02/15/23 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Give me some examples of what you mean. posted by tomservo on February 13, 2023 at 08:59:52
        
        I come from future. I have some good news and bad news, mostly bad news for you. We found out quite some time ago having unused audio equipment in the sane room screws up the sound. That goes for speakers, cables, electronics, everything. Take it all out of the room immediately!

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