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In Reply to: RE: Steel vs aluminum posted by geoffkait on August 11, 2022 at 04:52:27
there is so much to 'best' ride as to render your answer as just another opinion / datapoint.
Comfort / Ride is to a large extent design driven. Aero or non-round tubes are more compliant in one direction than at 90 degrees.
Aluminim, for example, NEEDS more material than the simple weight ratio with steel would imply, because of its metalurgical characeristics. And big tubes require thicker walls.....I can't off-hand rmember the 'rule' but go too thin on the wall and you are setting yourself up for a soda straw failure.
Steel tubes are frequently 'butted' where wall thickness varies from thick at the joins.....better for brazing.....to thinner in the middle where stresses may be less.
Don't forget that OTHER characteristics / treatments matter a lot, too. The Reynolds 531 which was used in many regular bikes of the era ws identical in composition to the high-end 753r, differening only in cold working post tube fabrication.....
And you can NOT make a bike from Al or Fe using one set of plans. You should take into considertaion the material to be used in fabrication. I've even seen BAMBOO bikes. As a matter of fact? You can buy a bike KIT and make your OWN bamboo bike. A real conversation piece.
And don't forget the Fork. this is a big part of the ride equation. Different design. different materials. Even Chrome plating of steel.......ALL make a difference in ultimate ride.
so while you may like your steel bike, it is unfair to make such a blanket statement. Even those pesky carbon graphite bike have a place in all this, though $$$.
Your bike is apparently a regular...though with 'shaped' tube version of a traditional steel bike. Nothing exotic BUT is executed very well. A 4130 front fork is also quite traditional. I've lost track of the prices of this stuff, but know that 4000$ and UP are not uncommon for the very high end.
Sounds like you live in an Escher.......
Too much is never enough
Follow Ups:
I've opened up a hornets nest. I nominate your post for the longest logical fallacy of the week. When you ass-u-me something you make an ass out of me and Uma Thurman.
Edits: 08/12/22 08/12/22
Yes somebody that knows materials and design. Please do a LITTLE better than a general
statement about 'logical fallacy' or whatever.....
But one thing for SURE? Enjoy your bike. No matter.
And for the Record? I think steel is great stuff for a bike. I just can't afford it. Gone from the
entry market and replaced by Mass Produced frames from who knows WHERE? Of Aluminum.
I see many Litespeed Titanium on the market. This would be a good USED move since new goodies
and wheels are easy. Handlebar tape is CHEAP and fun.
Too much is never enough
I have much deeper and broader background in materials than you do. And my education too. This conversation can serve no purpose any more. Ta, ta
I'm sorry to be so.....judgmental......but you did not get your monies worth.....
You never address any questions or comments, but just pontificate....
Tell me why steel is 'the best'?
Too much is never enough
Never is a very long time. Mr. Smarty Pants.
Edits: 08/15/22 08/15/22
Agree with THAT.
I figure the entire universe will be down about about 2 above absolute Zero by the time you are in the mood to'share'.......You are abrogating your duty to educate, if you can.....
Too much is never enough
No one is more sharing and generous than your humble scribe. Or more knowledgable. Did you forget to take your Xanax? This is all probably a simple case of technician versus real engineer.
Edits: 08/16/22
I've read your 'pontifications' on a number of subjects. And speaking of 'subjects'.....that's how you tend to treat people.
You should spend some serious 'introspection' time and try to contact your inner self. Sounds like you skipped a few doses of your Ritalin.....Or Lithium? Contact your medical professional.....
When I need to have such time? A couple days ALONE in the mountains / camping has always worked wonders. Keep it basic.
I about choked on the misuse of the word 'humble'.......than I laughed.....
Too much is never enough
How much do I owe you for the physiological analysis? How about ten cents?
I'm VERY glad you asked.
My advice, as is yours, is generally worth what is paid for it.
I'm under no illusions that you will listen or act on any advice, no matter how well intended.
That being said? I believe in 'pay it forward'. One of these days, you'll have an opportunity to take a deep breath and be more civil than you ever though you had IN YOU.....
Take that chance and be better for it....
Too much is never enough
This conversation can have no porpoise any more.
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