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In Reply to: RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem! posted by pictureguy on April 26, 2015 at 18:03:48
The Schumann devices work on the brain, even according to Acoustic Revive. What else would the Schumann frequency be doing to the brain besides relaxing it or placing it in a special state of relaxation, consciously or unconsciously? If that's how the Schumann wave works, then it is for all intent and purposes the same as the Alpha wave at 7.83 Hz. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...it's a duck.
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Alpha DOES NOT = Schumann
Same frequency, generally, though the Alpha DOES vary. Humans perceive light and sound, too, yet nobody has claimed that sight is light or hearing is sound.
Alpha has a biological origin while Schumann has a physical / astronomical in origin. It WOULD appear that the alpha was 'impressed' on the human brain.
Do ANY OTHER mammals have such a brainwave? Any research out there?
And Wrong again, Geof, the Schumann CAN vary over long time periods. Apparently the frequency is based on the 'cavity' size of the resonant space. IF you assume that the size of this cavity varies as a function of both atmostpheric composition AND height of the Ionisphere, than the frequency will indeed vary. It has been a stable measure since the final formation of the currrent atmosphere. Maybe it varied when the oxygen content were far higher. Amplitude varies as well, maybe as a function of the AMOUNT of electrical activity in the atmosphere and maybe, just maybe, some relation to solar flares and other solar activity.
It would seem that even TESLA was aware of this resonance and he wanted to take advantage of it in his world broadcast power scheme.
Too much is never enough
No, actually, I'm correct. The wavelength of 7.83 Hz is based on the length of the waveguide which in this case is the circumference of the Earth. In addition, when Schumann discovered the wave in the early '50s, guess what, the frequency was 7.83 Hz, same as it is today. Same as it ever was. Hahahaha. Now I'm not saying there can't be small fluctuations, possibly, - after all 7.83 is itself an approximate number - due to say very small variations in the speed of light through the atmosphere but I certainly wouldn't expect to see the number vary by more than a few thousandths. Furthermore, the Acoustic Revive RR-888 is superior to the earlier models because, guess what, it's MORE ACCURATE, more accurate with respect to 7.83 Hz. Hel-loooo!
I don't care about 'who is more accurate'. big Deal on Acoustic revive vs 'other'.
Based on a recognized value for Earth's Circumference = 24901 miles, the resonant frequency should be about 7.841hz, not the 7.83 oft quoted. The difference is greater than 1/10 of 1% and is well within measurement accuracy. Maybe around .14%? Also, Since the Earth is not a perfect sphere, THAT may introduce some 'wiggle' to the measurement.
And yes, Geof, Earth does indeed get larger over time. The simple accretion of Meteor 'stuff' assures THAT. Not much, but over several Billion years, it DOES add up. I don't know how it plays into the Schumann Resonance, but Earth's electrical activity has varied a quite a bit over long time periods, as well.
And just for shits 'n giggles? WHO measured the Schumann Resonance in times past? Grog the Caveman? Cheops? Eratosthenes? Hemiunu?
You are making an assumption on tenuous grounds.
Too much is never enough
is based on the fact that the earth's surface and the upper limit o the ionosphere form a wave guide. The ionosphere can and often does change.
So what if the ionosphere "changes"? - the circumference of the waveguide doesn't change. And that's what determines the wavelength and frequency, since the speed of light is essentially constant below the ionosphere. The waveguide is actually the space between the Earth's surface and the beginning of the ionosphere that we're talking about, not the ionosphere itself. So, you can throw out anything about the ionosphere.
I know it is advanced reasoning BUT, if the diameter of the ionosphere changes, then the 'edge' would change, too. And therefore the diameter.
ALL this stuff, from size of the Earth to the various fields surrounding it CHANGE. It would also appear that a HUGE blast of solar radiation can alter the size / shape of the ionosphere, though short term.
And Geof, a serious question:
IF you already 'know' so much, why bother asking? Lording over your huge ego and 'education'?
You ask a question than belittle ALL answers which don't agree with yours. Also, you ask 'mystery' questions than if nobody has 'the' answer, you use that as justification for your superiority. How can you get thru a normal sized door?
Have fun:
Too much is never enough
OK, let's say you're right and the diameter of the ionosphere does change. Let's say for the sake of argument it changes as much as two miles, OK. Even then, the diameter of the trough that's approximately the circumference of the Earth wouldn't change more than what about .0001% or whatever.
Lets say the diameter of the ionosphere changes by 10% or MORE.
And changes SHAPE to maybe ovoid when a blast of solar wind hits it.
Too much is never enough
Should be aware the planet is a flattened ovoid. N/S circumference is smaller than equatorial. Difference in diameter is about 50 miles, IIRC.
ahh you beat me to it, the Earth is mostly flat! NOT Spherical.
Give me a break. It's almost perfectly spherical. Which is why you can calculate the wavelength of a Schumann frequency based on the radius of the Earth. Duh! Ever see the view of the Earth from space? It's a sphere!
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50 miles would show up in the second decimal place of the Schumann frequency and even then only by about one or two hundredths. That's the worst case. Big deal. The diameter of the earth at the equator is 7,926.41 miles (12,756.32 kilometers). But, if you measure the earth through the poles the diameter is a bit shorter - 7,901 miles (12,715.43 km). A difference of only .003. Hel-loo!More to the point even if there were some small difference in frequency say between Alaska and Australia, for a stationary person anywhere on the Earth the frequency would be stable. Nobody said there is absolutely zero variation, it's just that it's negligible. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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It's NOT an Oblate spheroid? That's what I always thought!Yes, of course. This fact was apparently known to even the Ancient Egyptians. The length of degree varies as a function of Latitude. There exists a regular additive series which expresses this change.
We can talk about Egyptian Cubits, if you like, or even the ancient measure of Stadium, which is apparently 185 meters or 1/10 minute of arc.Modern 'shape of Earth' stuff revolves around whose 'spheroid' you use as reference.
When I talk about the shape of the Ionosphere, it is NOT conformal to the shape of the Earth, but rather responds to the Solar Wind, as well. At a particular point on Earth, the Schumann Resonance measure will change as a function of time of day and solar orientation.
Too much is never enough
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Also length of a waveguide is determined by the length if the center line between two surfaces
'start' of ionosphere varies by who you read. I don't even know hi / lo numbers but for purposes of this discussion, doesn't make much difference.
What DOES matter, and is unknowable, is the long-term history of the resonance frequency. Apparently long enough that mammals are responsive to it, though variations in Alpha Wave frequency MAY indicate other factors at play or even a change in frequency over long time periods.
I'm searching for an EASY to build Schumann Generator. I've seen one using a 555 but the coil / inductor part of the discussion was lacking.
Any tips in this regard are appreciated. This is one avenue which seems worth exploring.
Too much is never enough
The other issue ignored thus far is that the Schumann frequency is the lowest base line frequency. The planet's surface does not follow Euclidean geometry. An electrical Schumann occurrence will not necessarily follow the longest path (across the center line of the planet), but will go in all directions, hence we will have many higher frequencies with the shorter wavelengths.
Yes, and they also do NOT appear to be 'harmonically' related to the 'fundamental'.
Too much is never enough
You must be referring to the partials. You guys can't even Google right. Lol"In the normal mode descriptions of Schumann resonances, the fundamental mode is a standing wave in the Earth-ionosphere cavity with a wavelength equal to the circumference of the Earth. This lowest-frequency (and highest-intensity) mode of the Schumann resonance occurs at a frequency of approximately 7.83 Hz, but this frequency can vary slightly from a variety of factors, such as solar-induced perturbations to the ionosphere, which comprises the upper wall of the closed cavity.[citation needed] The higher resonance modes are spaced at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals,[citation needed] a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere's spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity. The 8th partial lies at approximately 60 Hz.[citation needed]"
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"In normal mode descriptions", ....
It doesn't say that it is the only mode. The fundamental mode is always the lowest frequency, QED.
The passage quoted totally ignores other possible pathways for the source of the Schumann disturbances.
Oh Yeah, 60 hz as the 8th partial is certainly way beyond the percentages you were quoting.
What are you referring to? If you believe there are fundamental modes other than 7.83 Hz by all means provide evidence. Just repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't really do much good. You can even cut and paste if you prefer, you know, if you don't know off the top of your head. Of there are other fundamental frequencies why does the Acoustic Revive device utilize ONLY 7.83 Hz? Not only that but the new RR-888 device actually generates the 7.83 Hz frequency MORE ACCURATELY.
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Well, I dunno, what makes you think it would change 10%? Your wild imagination? Even if the starting altitude of the Ionosphere changed 10% the geometry of the Earth's circumference ensures that will have virtually no effect on the Schumann frequency or wavelength. You Remember geometry, right?
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Since the frequency apparently depends on the distance BETWEEN Earth and the ionosphere, I'd say the frequency WILL change. = 2 conductors seperated by an insulator?
I'm certain you read the article I linked? Or had someone read it TO you between wall bounces?
Which of the Alphabet Soup of ionosphere layers is the primary reflector?
Too much is never enough
Geez, I haven't seen so much niggling in several weeks. Just admit you're wrong and let's call it a day.
You say a bunch of stuff which is either un proven or unprovable.
Than when I point out some real information you call me for 'niggling'.
What ever THAT is, coming from you as an assertion, it can't be good.
You still haven't told me how you KNOW the Schumann resonance frequency hasn't changed, though I'll concede it's been the same since at least the first day of the 20th century.
It seems clear that the Mass of the Earth rises over long time periods. No data exists for the size of the ionosphere over long time periods, even torturing Old Kingdom Egyptian or more recent Myan data.
Too much is never enough
All I'm saying is when it was first discovered in 1952 or whenever Schumann measured it as 7.83 Hz. It is still measured as 7.83 Hz. When it changes let me know. Meanwhile I'll say it's 7.83 Hz. I don't really speculate about what it might have been before it was discovered or what it might be in a thousand years.
Not that it matters, but I'd say TESLA knew about it at least 50 years or so earlier. I doubt he had the means to measure the frequency to 3 points of decimal.
And you DID seem to indicate this was an invariant number. Both without a lick of evidence and without referring to planetary history as is known today.
Sheer Speculation Alert: IF the Alpha wave IS locked into the Schumann resonance, than WHY would it appear that the Alpha wave can be measured as high as 12 hz or so? Maybe at the dawn of life, the frequency was higher and has been dropping VERY slowly ever since?
Too much is never enough
I never said the Alpha wave is locked into the Schumann wave. Duh! What I actually said was the Schumann wave is in the range of Alpha waves which is about 7-12 Hz. That was actually my whole point in starting this thread! A Schumann wave is actually an Alpha wave. Duh!
No, you just said 'Alpha = Schumann' about 50 times.
Too much is never enough
Do I have to spell it out - you can't read. That is the whole point of the OP.
I'm on record:
It IS the same frequency but NOT the 'same thing'.
Too much is never enough
Uh, if it's the same frequency and the same wavelength, it's the same thing. Exactly the same thing. It is what it is. You can call it Shirley if it pleases you.
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