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In Reply to: RE: Searching for truth? posted by rick_m on November 03, 2014 at 09:52:30
Of course anyone can find examples support his over the top skepticism. The world need more doers and less uber skeptics. I suspect he probably sleeps with a copy of Zen and the Art of Debunkery under his pillow.Sheldrake knows all about skeptics.
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You posted the above on 11/3 and I saw it for the first time tonight.
I posted this on 11/13 and hadn't thought about him in years.
Coincidence?
I think not.
Yes, most likely a coincidence.
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I doubt he is an "uber skeptic", but maybe. In many ways skepticism (along with the scientific method) is about all that stands between us and chaos. Maybe it should be thicker...
And you probably noticed that I also added some Rick-spin to the issue. That was deliberate, because his warning about low S/N ratios sort of being hiding places for iffy thinking (my interpretation of what he said) caused me to contemplate that they are also good hiding places for real mechanisms.
Rick
"Not only do we not know what the solution to the problem is we don't even know what the problem is. We are chasing squirrels down the wrong rabbit hole. What is required is a whole new paradigm shift."
I heartly agree. But yet I bet that we are thinking in nearly opposite directions.
Try this on for size: I think there are three major factors that make home audio so "interesting"...
-Our amazing aural sensitivity to nuance.
-Lack of corrolated visual input.
-Mental, often subliminal, crosstalk.
That's a lot. In the latter group I'm thinking more of the stuff that you and May are concerned about rather than something in the signal although at some level I suppose that they are inseparable.
Rick
Why on Earth would you agree with my statement? I always assumed you were one of those people who was pretty satisfied with things, audio wise. When did you become an infant terrible? Calling for a paradigm shift, what's got into you?
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"I always assumed you were one of those people who was pretty satisfied with things, audio wise."
You are correct in that assumption. But that hasn't always been the way of it and one of my concerns is that as things grow old and need service or replacement, or if we move, then whatever makes this system so satisfying may cease to do so. My hope is to understand things better before I need to apply them.
There is also a second driver and that is shear, unadulterated, curiosity. I like to know what makes things tick...
"When did you become an infant terrible?"
According to my Mom, well prior to birth...
"Calling for a paradigm shift, what's got into you?"
Not really what you may have wished. I'm just agreeing with you that: "the problem is we don't even know what the problem is."
I suspect that part of the problem is that there isn't a singular problem. There's a Gestalt that we experience and it's roots are numerous. We're pretty darn sensitive detectors...
Regards, Rick
My Tip for the Day, assume everything you know is wrong. Then you will have an easier time of it. It is also recommended for audiophiles to adapt the attitude of accepting the inevitable with grace and humor. LolYou wrote,
"You are correct in that assumption. But that hasn't always been the way of it and one of my concerns is that as things grow old and need service or replacement, or if we move, then whatever makes this system so satisfying may cease to do so. My hope is to understand things better before I need to apply them."
You may need some servicing from time to time but you can never be replaced, now you're just being silly.
But I digress. Back to the truth thing. As Einstein wrote,
"In the evolution of philosophical thought through the centuries the following question has played a major role: what knowledge is pure thought able to supply independently of sense perception? Is there any such knowledge? If not, what precisely is the relation between our knowledge and the raw material furnished by sense impressions?
There has been an increasing skepticism concerning every attempt by means of pure thought to learn something about the 'objective world', about the world of 'things' in contrast to the world of 'concepts and ideas'. During philosophy's childhood it was rather generally believed that it is possible to find everything which can be known by means of mere reflection. It was an illusion which anyone can easily understand if, for a moment, he dismisses what he has learned from later philosophy and from natural science; he will not be surprised to find that Plato ascribed a higher reality to 'ideas' than to empirically experienceable things. Even in Spinoza and as late as in Hegel this prejudice was the vitalising force which seems still to have played the major role.
The more aristocratic illusion concerning the unlimited penetrative power of thought has as its counterpart the more plebeian illusion of naive realism, according to which things 'are' as they are perceived by us through our senses. This illusion dominates the daily life of men and of animals; it is also the point of departure in all of the sciences, especially of the natural sciences."
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Truth is a lot like Poe's The Purloined Letter. The letter was not hidden but out in plain sight, right in front of the dude's nose.
Sort of like Spread Spectrum, hiding information in the noise, no? At the same time, with audio it's easy to over think things, as we don't know what we don't know. Not only do we not know what the solution to the problem is we don't even know what the problem is. We are chasing squirrels down the wrong rabbit hole. What is required is a whole new paradigm shift. Again. What a revoltin' situation this is! Lol. Furthermore, and this is a real problem, when presented with the truth the mind rebels. We choose to cling to the old "truths" we hold so dear. The Backfire Effect in full bloom.
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