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I would like to create a small dance club environment in my home. I have a large home theater room (25x40) with cathedral ceiling open to 2nd floor. I like all types of music and have an ultra-hgh end two channel system separate from the theater sound system. The theater sound system is also made up of ultra high end audio equipment. I have appreciated high end equipment for many years and have a great amount of experience with what most call audiophile or high end stereo equipment. I have no experience with professional audio. I have tried using these type of speakers for the dance club environment, however, am disappointed with the results. I need the sound loud,dynamic, clear, and most of all dispersed equally throughout the room. Since the room is intended for dancing and party events I would like the sound to be equally as good no matter where in the room or standing or sitting. The lack of dispersion is the single most lacking characteristic of any system built with high end speakers. I listened to some pro audio speakers when selecting speakers for the theater, however, didnt feel they sounded very good having limited high frequency response and lack of articulation. I had limited exposure so I am not sure this is typical of all pro sound speakers. I have also experienced systems in clubs that were great and some that were horrible and cant pin these to any particular brand. I know all to well that setup and environment make a difference. Any suggestions as to a good sounding pro audio speaker solution with good dispersion would be appreciated.
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EAW or eastern acoustic works. this brand is very good. consult a dealer close to you for best match for your application. you won't be disapointed.
The sky is the limit here
Budget....How much are you willing to spend?
Contact Danley Sound Labs
If you want a quality system then go with them
Also, get self powered loudspeakers
Danely has them I am pretty sure of that
This eliminates the need for a bunch of external amps in your room taking up space.
For a dance environment I would recommend four satellite loudspeakers up
mounted in the air pointing down into the dance floor area and
a single subwoofer sitting on the floor against one of the walls
Oh and you are gonna need a MIRROR BALL in the center and lights!
Tom Danely and Ivan Beaver both post on the High Efficiency forum on this site
Here is Danley Sound Labs link
Thank you Pro Sound Guy. I appreciate your recommendation and feel lucky that it is consistent with the advice I received from Inmate51. I didnt expect to get such competent and helpful replies so soon. As far as how much money, through my original research I am happy to find out that most of the pro equipment is much less expensive than the insanely priced two channel stereo equipment I currently own. I am hoping I can stay under $20k although I would spend more if the equipment was really that much better. Thanks again for the advice
Pro Sound Guy... I completely spaced out the mirror ball. My bad!
LOL
It's late, and I just got back from Chicago, but I looked at your question, and wanted to offer some thoughts."I have also experienced systems in clubs that were great and some that were horrible and cant pin these to any particular brand. I know all to well that setup and environment make a difference."
That is a significant statement.
Despite every band/night club audio technician being firmly convinced that they actually DO know it all and that their system sounds GREAT, I defy anyone to put a complete high quality system in a nightclub, and have ten such guys, one at a time, position it, hook it all up, tune it, and make it sound great. You'll get maybe two who can do it, and the other eight will make it sound so-so to downright horrible.
"Any suggestions as to a good sounding pro audio speaker solution with good dispersion would be appreciated."
We've already established that it's not necessarily the speaker brand or model that makes it great, but the setup and the tech. ;) You've clearly stated your requirement for very high quality sound, with an excellent high end. As a dance/party environment, can I assume that you'll want fairly high levels at least some of the time? With all that in mind, the typical 2-way P.A. system won't cut it. Although there are some nice ones from several manufacturers (EV, JBL, Mackie, QSC, Yamaha, etc.), I'm not confident that they'd meet your fidelity expectations. You really need to look at 3-way or even 4-way systems.
You noted that you have a high cathedral ceiling. That will help a lot. As you apparently know, if you position the speakers "above head height" and point them across the room, you will not achieve the even coverage that you want. Obviously, they'll be closer to some people than to others, and that means the level will vary from position to position. So, the ability to place them fairly high up is a plus. The goal is to place them such that their output doesn't vary significantly at various locations in the room, and to find models which have wide dispersion (and even dispersion) from low-mid frequencies to some practical upper frequency limit. The necessary dispersion angle is significantly dependent on the placement of the speakers AND the quantity of speakers.
Typically, high output sound reproduction systems are designed with large boxes placed in a few locations. But it may be that, in your situation, a larger number of smaller boxes would better meet your requirements.
So, the type and model of speaker is intimately related to placement and quantity, not just the fidelity of the speaker. This brings us to placement options. The more flexible you are with regard to placement and size, the more readily an acceptable solution can be devised.
Having worked in both the home hi-fi and commercial sound fields, I have to say that commercial sound reinforcement and reproduction easily eclipses home hi-fi as being the more challenging environment to successfully address. What you're talking about is, physically, a commercial sound reproduction system, even though it's in your home. So, although you did a good job of outlining the basic requirements, to arrive at a solution which meets your requirements, the system designer needs more detail and more information, as well as some photos of the space and information about allowable positioning. A big issue is low frequency reproduction. The easy solution is a few large diaphragm (15") drivers, on the floor. A more difficult, but potentially better, solution is a larger number of smaller drivers (10" - 12"), positioned so they don't take up valuable floor space.
In any case, you're obviously a critical listener. You may be best off hiring a competent system designer - people who design high quality systems for a living.
There's a few things off the top of my head. Hope it helps!
Edits: 06/01/11
Thank you Inmate51 for your thoughtful and informative reply. I do appreciate your time spent. Do you have any favorite speaker/subs that I could look at to improve my awareness prior to engaging a system designer as you suggest?
Sorry for the delayed reply. Regarding favorites - no, not really. There are lots of nice-sounding speakers out there. Which ones are most suited for your needs depends on a variety of factors, including aesthetics and practicality of installation.
PSG is on the right track with his comment about using four mains, although I'd bump that up to six (three on each long wall) or maybe even eight, and a minimum of two subs crossed at or below 80 Hz.
Since John Meyer taught me, many years ago, the majority of my understanding of loudspeaker/sound propagation physics, I'm still a bit partial to his products, but I fully recognize that there are products from other companies which may meet your needs just as well, or maybe even better. In general, I'd be looking at main boxes which are clean above about 80 - 100 Hz, at the SPL you want, and have the desired dispersion up to at least 12 KHz. These may be 2-way or 3-way boxes, but in either case, will require a subwoofer, making it a 3 or 4-way system.
I'd also narrow the search to 12", or better yet, 10" woofers, excluding sub. The use of 15" woofers up to crossing over to the high frequency driver only works in a limited range of scenarios, and yours isn't one of them.
www.meyersound.com is the site for John Meyer's products. Beyond that, EV, Danley, JBL, QSC, and Yamaha may also have something for you. (And yes, I read the Danley/Meyer "shoot out" in another forum. Tom - please post that pic of the world's largest subwoofer, the one in the shipping container!)
Ok, I think I'm done here. Good luck!
Here is a link to the Matterhorn build-of which I did around 60-70% myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36Kp6veJ6c
Very cool Ivan....
Tell the dood doing the grinding to get some safety glasses!
Hey Ivan, thanks! That was excellent!
Thanks so much for the informative and thoughtful reply. I do appreciate your time spent. By the way do you have any favorite speaker/subs I should look at to increase my awareness before I engage someone as you suggested?
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