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In Reply to: RE: Example posted by tlea on December 16, 2024 at 19:56:43
You're right. I found The dB's but not the albums you mentioned.
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The two albums were available in Qobuz once upon a time. I can't remember when I last played them. Here they are in my Roon library, woven in with the Qobuz selections.
I usually digitize LPs at 24/96 but screwed up and recorded these at Redbook by mistake. Still sounds pretty good, but I'll probably redo them at some point for archiving since they seem to be rare. I imbedded the cover art and metadata using MusicBrainz Picard, but Roon found them automatically even though they don't exist in Qobuz.My point in all this is that streaming is a wonderful thing, but it is not "limitless access to music" as some claim. Kinda sounds like "perfect sound forever" doesn't it? And we know how that worked out.
. . . in theory, practice and theory are the same; in practice, they are different . . .
Edits: 12/17/24
My LP digitizing and tagging approach was extremely tedious. I'm curious how you did yours.
I used the relatively inexpensive HRT Linestreamer+ ADC good for up to 24/96 res into my Mac via USB using Audacity software to ingest an entire LP side. This created two huge files, one for side-A and the other for side-B. The process of breaking each side up into individual tracks (files) was tedious along with manually inputting metadata for each track --- all done manually in Audacity. I pulled in just one Album Art image from the internet and placed it in the Album folder so album art was not embedded in each file.
Questions: - Did you start with one large file for each LP side? How did you break out individual tracks? I assume there is software to do this but I labored through it with just Audacity. Thanks!
It is a labor of love, and I save it for special archival situations like the one we've been discussing. I use an outdated program called Pure Vinyl Recorder b/c I have never found anything better. It does a decent job of track splitting on the first pass but isn't infallible so you have to backcheck. I have also used Audacity but pV is far better. It also contains an excellent baked-in player, Pure Music, that builds on the iTunes/Music engine and sounds terrific. I don't use pM anymore now that I am in the Roon/Qobuz ecosystem, but the SQ is superb.
I have an older Edirol ADC that will deliver 24/96 via USB. I like it b/c it has a dedicated power supply and doesn't rely on USB bus power. It stays connected to the line output of my integrated amp. I use a 2012 Mac Mini to do the recording, and that is about all it does anymore. It used to be my Roon server and endpoint but I've moved past that.
My goal was to replicate the way we used to do it back in the day, with a cassette recorder connected to the preamp. Whenever I play an LP, if I feel like digitizing it, it's fairly easy and convenient. It just takes a couple of quick settings and some best-guess gain adjustment sampling, and off you go - just like a C-90. Where it can get tedious is if you get into post-production editing. pV has a series of built-in noise reduction and pop and click filters, but I keep them at a very low tolerance for fear of losing data. You can manually edit if something is really blatant, and it is much simpler than Audacity.
Pure Vinyl includes a tagging/artwork feature that is quite sophisticated. The recommended workflow is to ID the album before starting the recording, using the catalog number or a search engine. It uses track lengths to help interpolate track splitting and pre-populates titles. It mostly happens automagically but there are occasional flaws and misses. Similar to the recording process, you can get as tedious and anal as you choose to with tagging (which isn't limited to LP ripping). I use MusicBrainz Picard for corrections.
To my ears, the SQ of the digital recordings I produce is as good as or better than anything I can stream. That makes it worth the effort.
. . . in theory, practice and theory are the same; in practice, they are different . . .
I know what you mean about tedious . I've made hundreds of recordings of vinyl over the years and it is very tedious if you want to add metadata and split the recordings into individual tracks. However, it needs only to be done once for each album.
I use a TASCAM DA-3000 DSD recorder in conjunction with the TASCAM Hi-Res Editor. It's extremely tedious, but DSD128 copies of vinyl sound ever so good to me.
Happy listening!
John you're a patient man.
I'm too old and getting even older by the day. As such, I decided that digitizing more than a handful of albums was not the best use of of my time. I'd hate to keel over dead and face plant onto a spinning LP ;-)
Thanks for the detailed response.
I ran Pure Music in iTunes compatibility mode back in the day before I switched to Audirvana then Roon. I believe you or someone else in the Asylum may have mentioned Pure Vinyl before so I've heard of it but never tried it.
I used Audacity for all of my vinyl ripping workflow and that included zooming in on segments of the music file to manually smooth down the big clicks and pops. I let the small ones be. Too late now but I should have given Pure Vinyl a try.
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