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With my two-way speaker build on hold as the clock ticks towards December 31st when my $1200.00 in Sony card points expire, I am struggling to decide between the 55" or 65" Sony A95L OLED TV. Sitting on chairs at Best Buy, I tape measured 11 ft from the 55", which looked small, while the 65" looked too big at the same distance.
My largely empty living room is 20 ft x 11, with the west side open, crossing a 4 ft wide x 27 ft hallway and into a ~ 10 ft x 9 kitchen and then 3 ft wide staircase. A triangular ceiling that peaks at 11 ft is above it all.
I plan to listen 10 ft from my speakers, with the TV between them and a foot or so behind the horns.
I built the 65" (56.9" w x 33" h) cardboard mock and to my eyes at 12 ft the 65" "screen" looks immersive.
I will build the 55" (48.25" x 27.5") mock as soon as I can get more cardboard from the local supermarket.
Meanwhile, it might be very helpful to learn of the experiences of other 55" and 65" TV users.
How far are you from one of those screen sizes?
Do you sit on a chair or recliner?
Please describe the speakers that you use in place of the TV's internal speakers, and how far you sit from them.
Follow Ups:
I sit approximately 10 feet away from my screen.
The speakers I use instead of the TV speakers are Edgarhorns. They are 13 feet each from my listening position (throat of midrange horn). Plus other DIY speakers and Klipsch factory models.
I sit in an armchair.
The TV is an 85inch Hisense LED model.
Please refer to my last post. Depending on sound quality of the movie or TV soundtrack, do you switch between your Edgarhorns and the factory and/or DIY speakers?
No, I do not switch. Even if the movie soundtrack is poorly mastered I would rather hear it in all it's "glory" through my system. The DIY speakers are part of the total surround sound system and include the center channel, the rear presence and 2 tapped horn subs, all designed by ClaudeJ1 and built by me. My side channels are Klipsch LaScalas and the 4 upper channels are Klipsch bookshelf speakers. I also have the Edgar Seismic sub and a servo sub designed by tomservo.
I know, 4 subs......lol
In that case, do you use some kind of a limiter to prevent hearing damage when a movie soundtrack has a sudden unexpected high SPL transient? I almost caught off guard with one my titles which had this huge thunderclap. My ancient floor standers are maybe ~ 84 db.
no, i dont use any limiters. my speakers are over 100db efficient at 1 watt. i gave up on preventing hearing damage some time ago.
77" is even better. It's an LG C3 OLED, a fantastic picture. Seating distance is about 10 feet. Behind the couch is my desk and a couple more chairs which are about 16-18 feet from the TV.At 10 feet, it's nearly like a movie screen. I thought it would be too close and a bit grainy, not at all, it's sharp and fills the complete view.
-Rod
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hot a horny but wifey and I prefer the newer 4k 75" which replaced a 65". Seating distance about 13'.
Each SH-50 is 10 ft. from my sweet spot, measured at the tweeter/apex.The Center acts like a TV stand at a little over 7 feet from apex.
TV is roughly 5.5 to 6 feet from my head, yielding a perfect, Dolby prescribed, 45-50 degree subtended angle to match my seat at the local Movie theater. Even that close, my normal vision can't resolve individual Pixels yet, I get maximum sharpness on the latest Digitally Mastered 4K movies, making the idea of 8 K resolution totally ridiculous.
Screen is 77" LG OLED 4K.
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I watch a lot of vintage BDs from the 50s through the 70s. While there are some very impressive exceptions- https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/PJ-Blu-ray/258849/ https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/North-by-Northwest-Blu-ray/139345/-the audio of most of my titles were often hit with a lot of dynamic range compression for various reasons.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Big-Heat-Blu-ray/170647/While the compression may not necessarily make the movies sound as bad as if the audio had clipping (overload) distortion https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Inferno-3D-Blu-ray/174325/ , hum or other audible noise, if you were often to play such content, might the lack of dynamics and flatness of the sound become very fatiguing, even with well-designed horn speakers?
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Laughing-Policeman-Blu-ray/155116/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Parallax-View-Blu-ray/42659/And since the dynamic range of a recording cannot be restored once it has been compressed-even with software like this https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rx.html?srsltid=AfmBOoprArvJASWIn_nRl5VfwNTUTkD4b1iscv0adPnsn6rzV9aHxAcG -might we then be more inclined to instead choose direct radiator cone speakers for movie soundtracks with such audio quality problems? Perhaps even some of the better turnkey speaker systems?
https://www.crutchfield.com/g_12000/Floor-standing-Speakers.html?fa=1#&price=3070-7130
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65 inch at 10 feet from the couch
gen1 SH-50's, 100dB 1W/1M R and L about 2 feet past the screen on each side. Old SH-95's, center and R and L surround. old Spica TC-50's rear surround.
When you say "2 ft.past the screen on each side," do you mean you TV is forward from the front plane of the LCR or that the are only set up as 8.75 feet spacing from each other?Your TV width is approx. 57" and mine is 68" with the LR SH-50's right up against the 11.5 foot wide wall in comparison.
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Hi
The SH-50's are about 2 feet to the right and left of the TV screen, at about the same distance as the TV from the couch. A tape measure says they are about 12 feet center to center.
Your "up against the side walls" prior suggestion hadsworked well for me, with the perfect reflection, and the desirable ILLUSION that the sound stage Width is even beyond the walls with a solid front "curtain of sound."I listen to Music with just R and L with the subs on of course. For 4K Video, it's 11 channels full Atmos with diminishing returns past 5.1.
Thank You for the details. Everything matters to get to my Sonic Nirvana.
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Altec Model 15's. I've owned them since '79. Here is an older picture. It's a 12 x 14 room. Her couch and my recliner on the back wall.
Due to Helene & Milton the room has been gutted, but the builtin stays.
I bought a 55" when I moved to my current home. My watching seat is about 13 ft from the screen and it was large enough. However, when decided to add a TV to another room, I thought I'd move that one there and buy a 65" one for my living room. No regrets - the 65" one is great.
It is mounted on a central structural column with my hi-fi rack below and speakers either side. I dislike exposed cables and, being fixed close to the column, access to rear-panel sockets would be difficult, so I bought a Samsung TV that has a remote box that provides loads of sockets and connected to the TV screen via a single cable that carries everything from power to internet to HDMI, to hard drive storage, etc. I'd never buy a TV that needs a dozen cables connected to it!
I have a 55 inch. I'd go larger, as my viewing distance is about 12 feet, but it won't fit in the alcove where the TV is hanging. A recliner of course. The top of the screen is eight inches from the 7.5 foot ceiling, giving me the perfect viewing angle. None of this has anything to do with my speakers. My line array mains and folded horn sub are capable of giving me 105dB at listening position with room to spare. I seldom go that loud, but it's nice having that capability when I want it.
Yes, I remember our earlier chat on this. So far, you are the only one who like me is too badly space challenged for a 65" TV, here on obscenely overpopulated, overtaxed Long Island, where the price of living space is equally obscene. Of course, > 3.5 decades of NAFTA driven bipartisan legislated massive over immigration made that inevitable. The 8.9" width difference between the 55" and 65" TVs can matter badly. On the 11 ft wall, the 65" TV, the speakers plus a foot between the speakers totals 14 ft, not including the subs. Even toeing in the speakers and subs would be a gamble to keep the right speaker and/or sub out of the hallway.
There would be plenty of room to put everything on the 20 ft wall but at least half of the back of my chair would be in the hallway.
The other option might be to place everything diagonally across the room, but that still might not work either.
Last resort for the 65" TV would be to use smaller speakers and dedicate my horn speakers for music listening. Not a desirable alternative, but unless you have a good-sized house Schiit Island's a bad place to be an audiophile wanting to add a nice TV, where every inch counts here. But I'm stuck here until I retire; should have thought this through better.
Looks like it's the 55" or nothing. At least that way if I got Revel or Wharfedale tower mains I could then fit a center speaker below the TV and still have my eyes on axis with the screen's center, as a decent phantom center for movie dialogue from my pair of two-way horn speakers is a big concern.
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