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In Reply to: RE: Awaiting new Klipsch La Scala AL6 with active DSP crossover posted by Jon L on September 26, 2024 at 05:14:45
More amps and DSP. Without that, they are still not up to modern standards put forth by Tom Danley.His SH-50's have too much bass in room corners and the resultant peak at 50 Hz. gets knocked down by room EQ and flat to 40 hz. in a horn 1/2 the size of a LaScala and 1/3 the size of a Klipshorn, all with PASSIVE network!!
Only one amp required. Lower distortion/superior performance for less money!!
Tapped horn subs below 40 Hz. gets down flat to 16 Hz. with useable output at over 120 decibels.
Edits: 09/26/24Follow Ups:
Winston Churchill reportedly said, "you can depend on Americans doing the right thing after they try everything else first." That is pretty much how I arrived at my opinion that horn speakers are the best. I owned sealed speakers, ported boxes, aperiodic speakers, Magneplanars, electrostatics and even omnis if you count Bose 901s as Omnis. I was never satisfied even though some of these speakers did some things right. Then twenty years ago I designed and built my DIY, triamplified , DSP controlled horn speakers. I have never looked back.
Much of the drama and excitement in music is provided by micro and macro dynamics. Nothing does dynamics like good horns. Also horns have very low distortion and can have good frequency response free of coloration if properly regulated.
If anyone is interested my horns comprise Bill Fitzmaurice designed HT Tuba horn woofers, Oris 150 horns driven by AER BD3 drivers and Fostex t900a bullet tweeters. My preamp/DSP is a DEQX Pre 8.
The only possible downside is that they are somewhat large. Some try to diminish the size by combining horn mids and highs with sealed or ported box woofers. In my opinion that combination blends like coffee and spoiled milk. Nothing blends as seamlessly and musically correctly with horn speakers as other horn speakers.
I dream of an America where a chicken can cross the road without having it's motives questioned.
I concur with your findings. I have had similar experiences, designing speakers since I was 12 years old, using EV and Altecs horns in my late teens, and finally getting a bank loan to afford Klipschorns with a center LaScala at 23, as a newlywed with a very understanding wife.So my "American wrongs" came AFTER I had horns, not before. Sine you can add "doing everything backwards" to my Audio Resume!
My list of speakers would be too long. I did stray from horns with Carver Amazing Platinums (Mk I, II, and III) that were the "other end of the spectrum" technology wise with Planar Magnetics.
They had an exaggerated 3-dimensional presentation which I liked, but you can't have dynamics with 82 db/Watt speakers, even with a Kilowatt Amplifier.
Nothing can touch horns done right. PERIOD. My benchmark setup has been Danley SH-50's with TH-50 Subs as "speaker stands" with the ability to do 2.3 and 7.4.3 at the touch of a button. My 22 foot Super Tapped Hown has rear room duties for a perfect bass balance at the sweet spot, down to the low Teens, going on 10 years now. With Edgar Titan II's in the basement until just recently.
Edits: 09/29/24
to share a pic of your environment? The link in your profile is broken.
I confess that I am not generally a fan of horns but of all the designs, I think Tom's would suit me better with my passion for coherency. Most sound to me like a collection of dissimilar parts.
Only when it's a collection of dissimilar parts not set up correctly in a bad room with tube power amps!
have a pic?
Picture of what? My all horn systems?
I had a sarcastic description of something I do not practice. In case the tongue was not far enough into the cheek.
from my first post, I am curious to see such a Danley system in a home environment.
If it's too much trouble, no worries.
No problem. Pictures of "the kids."
Danley SH-50's on top of TH-50 "bassy speaker stands." LOL
77" OLED 4k TV for scale.
7.4.3 (8 Klipsch Heresys, modified and ported, 22 ft. folded Super Tapped Horn of my own design unseen).
For Music it's 2.3 at the touch of a button.
The Center Phantom Image sounds like it emanates from the TV, so I have to prove the Center SH-50 is OFF, much to a listener's disbelief during a DEMO.
The good doctor loved natural sounds and large oils caps in the crossover, etc. But I have always wondered how the Titan II would sound with SOTA DSP crossover/EQ/time alignment, especially when integrated with dual horn subs...
No need to wonder. Mine were dated 2003 in handwritten data.
Dr.Edgar's last and best woofer was the jbl 2220 in the bass horn, which is what I ended up with after the EVM 15L's they came with, and an Eminence Kappa 15C in between.
The salad bowls had jbl 2441's with titanium (from the previous owner) diaphragms, which I replaced with Aluminum ones from Radian.
My bullet tweeter search led me to Ciare ct440 since his original tweeters were no longer made. Add the Seismic Sub with it's own mono amp/xover.
I aligned all the voice coils with a first order passive network.
Now the new owner has 6 channels of class D amps with FIR filtering and another full horn sub (Tomservo's bt-7 full horn).
Let there be MUSIC!
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