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RE: Biggest Con is that recordings were made NOT using horns

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Bill Fitzmaurice

In Reply to: RE: Biggest Con is that recordings were made NOT using horns posted by Jon L on September 06, 2024 at 10:34:10

For decades the standard high end studio monitor was the Altec A-7, so yes, many recordings were made using horns. Not that it matters, flat response is flat response, no matter the source.

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the 604 was used a lot in studios. nt - Tre' 15:46:02 09/13/24 (0)
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Altec A7 - Jon L 11:21:06 09/07/24 (8)
Altec A7 were used widely as studio monitors starting in 50's, which explains why so many of the records of that period sound AWESOME via my horn speakers!!
- RE: Altec A7 - are you sure they were used for mixing? - Edp 11:18:39 09/17/24 (6)
  I'm not doubting used in studios in playback, but mixing that seems out of scope for a Theater focused design.
  
  I would think most real mixing would e done with hybrid cone / horn like a 605 or 605a.
  
  Distance needed to use an standard A7 for that purpose might be difficult for most studio layouts of that period.
  - RE: Altec A7 - are you sure they were used for mixing? - Bill Fitzmaurice 11:34:35 09/17/24 (5)
    Distance didn't cause a problem. You're probably thinking about modern mixing techniques with multichannel boards and nearfield monitors. Neither existed until the 1960s.
    - Based upon photos of 50 s recording studios, seems your wrong - Edp 12:23:06 09/17/24 (4)
      Simple google search of photos and recording history sites, there were mixing consoles and near field setups in the 50 s and one of the vanguards had a 1947 date.
      
      Multiple web sites focused on the recording equipment and the pioneers identify the development of that equipment with examples photos and in rare cases the actual equipment, with significant achievements in the late 40's through 50's and into the 60 s
      
      I find no such photos or references of A7 used in that era for mastering, I find many that had A7 in the large orchestra recording rooms for playback.
      
      I see 605,604 and even a Tannoy ( not certain a 50 s picture though )
      
      Got any sources for A7 used in mastering in the 50/60 s?
      - Here's a Western Electric 753C monitor in a radio station - je2a3 07:53:15 09/18/24 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Based upon photos of 50 s recording studios, seems your wrong posted by Edp on September 17, 2024 at 12:23:06
        
        FWIW, a late 40s Western Electric monitor at a radio station
        Lots more pics and info about this subject at worldradiohistory.com
        Western Electric 753C (Open in New Window)
        
        Edits: 09/18/24 09/18/24
        
        RE: Here's a Western Electric 753C monitor in a radio station - cawson@onetel.com 10:37:41 09/18/24 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Here's a Western Electric 753C monitor in a radio station posted by je2a3 on September 18, 2024 at 07:53:15
        
        I used to own Western Electric Westrex 2326A Studio monitors.
        The massive tweeter was horn loaded but not the 15" bass driver. OK, but no match for a modern horn speaker.
        
        Edits: 09/18/24
        
        RE: Here's a Western Electric 753C monitor in a radio station - je2a3 12:53:46 09/18/24 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Here's a Western Electric 753C monitor in a radio station posted by cawson@onetel.com on September 18, 2024 at 10:37:41
        
        Nice set up!
        Those look like JBL manufactured drivers to Westrex UK spec (?). If so, I've heard a set up using those drivers and to my ears, they have a different flavor compared to the WE753C I linked earlier and the WE757A monitor + drivers discussed in the link below.
        WE Oscillator July 1947 (Open in New Window)
        
        Edits: 09/18/24
        
        RE: Here's a Western Electric 753C monitor in a radio station - cawson@onetel.com 15:33:28 09/18/24 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Here's a Western Electric 753C monitor in a radio station posted by je2a3 on September 18, 2024 at 12:53:46
        
        The photos I attached were not my own speakers, but the same model - 2326A.
        
        Yes, UK supplied. In fact, one of the tweeter voice coils was faulty when I bought these big speakers (for 20 GDP), but luckily the Westrex works was a few miles from where I worked, so getting it replaced was a painless job. I wonder what those drivers would be worth now.
- RE: Altec A7 - claudej1@aol.com 17:41:03 09/07/24 (0)
  This includes Led Zeppelin's first record in 1969.
RE: Biggest Con is that recordings were made NOT using horns - hahax@verizon.net 20:48:39 09/06/24 (0)
If only flat response was the only thing that mattered since it isn't. There's so much more and I wouldn't even give it 1st place.

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