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• RE: Darn New Order........... - J 09:16:03 11/23/08 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Darn New Order........... posted by RC Daniel on November 13, 2008 at 14:19:31

  There are problems with the reissues.
  
  http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/MessageList.aspx?ThreadID=43684
  
  Pretty well detailed there.
  
  Now, a recall has been announced.
  

  • http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/nov/21/new-order-reissues-recalled   (Open in New Window)

  
  

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• PS)Bernard - Sordidman 17:14:24 11/13/08 (1)
  In Reply to: RE: Darn New Order........... posted by RC Daniel on November 13, 2008 at 14:19:31

  I'm hit and miss on his lyrics?
  
  How about you??
  
  I thought that Ian Curtis was an amazing poet. I also think that Bernard might not take himself too seriously with his lyrics, - so that's cool. I find some bloody arful... and some are funny, and some are great..
  
  I went through a period of "I can't listen to New Order" cause Bernard can't sing; for years. Then one day I put on "regret" and started bouncing off the walls... So it goes....
  
  Cheers,
  
  

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  • RE: PS)Bernard - RC Daniel 18:55:25 11/13/08 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: PS)Bernard posted by Sordidman on November 13, 2008 at 17:14:24

    Once again we agree! I think Bernard went through an anti-singer stage early on. I have really liked New Order from the moment I heard them... I came to them late.
    
    I find the majority of the lyrics on their last two albums, well, er, how do I say this, lame. Perhaps that is more about me than them.
    
    Regret is a fantastic song. I remember hearing it for the first time after having resigned myself to never hearing a new release from the band several years earlier. At first I was not sure it was them... perhaps an Electronic release, despite Hooky's trademark contribution... I was pretty stoked when I found out it was them. Great album also.
    
    I also thought I would never get to see them live... but managed to see them at the Big Day Out festival.
    
    You have heard Electronic's (Bernard and Jimmy Marr) first album (self-titled), no doubt.
    
    Cheers
    
    

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• ""Thoughts from above hit the people down below" - Sordidman 17:10:38 11/13/08 (1)
  In Reply to: RE: Darn New Order........... posted by RC Daniel on November 13, 2008 at 14:19:31

  all over that one...
  
  Time to change that signature line again; fun to use different lyrics in there from all of our favs...
  
  Interesting RC...
  
  I'm not going to rip on Rhino, as they have resurrected some cool stuff. But why would they not do a great job all-around? I know that I paid less than most for these re-issues, but if they're going to go through the bother.. why not do it well?
  
  Why is it so hard for the industry to understand that they will be rewarded for bringing value, instead of punishing everyone for gouging?
  
  Anyway, I also bought the JAM, "Setting Sons" and made the mistake of getting the bonus tracks one. It's not remastered!!!! So, I'm going to dump the bonus tracks to the Server and then go back and get the re-mastered one....when will I learn??
  
  Cheers,
  
  

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  • RE: ""Thoughts from above hit the people down below" - RC Daniel 18:31:13 11/13/08 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: ""Thoughts from above hit the people down below" posted by Sordidman on November 13, 2008 at 17:10:38

    > > > Why is it so hard for the industry to understand that they will be rewarded for bringing value, instead of punishing everyone for gouging?
    < < <

    Yep. I hear ya. Unfortunately the popular music industry seems to be taking an ever-more-extreme "fast-moving consumer item" approach to music. Get folks to buy it, like it (but not for too long too long), dispose of it, then move on. Churn it over. That puts them in direct competition with other fast-moving forms of titillation: computer games, fast-food, soft drink, ring tones etc. Much of popular music = fashion. Hmmm, does popular music shape society or vice versa?.. and in what ways... seems to be about getting folks to $pend.

    This has been occurring with many things we once thought should deliver long-term satisfaction: phones, televisions, audio systems... Note, I don't think this approach is being adopted by all, perhaps just many, especially the big players.

    My hope is that this approach will not hold up in the current financial environment and that this model will be exposed as short-term gain resulting in long-term pain. A return to longer-term satisfaction... I am not holding my breath tho.

    Rant over! I have to get some work done ;^)

    Edit: Er, but to answer your question, I don't know. Perhaps in the case of these re-issues they know there are some fans, and newcomers to what is a significant band, that will pony-up the $$$ no matter what is presented, especially if they don't know or care about the production quality. OTOH, New Order's production values were not particularly well regarded in any case, there are some rarities involved, and the music is timeless (to me). Dunno...

    Raymond
    
    

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    Edits: 11/13/08

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