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In Reply to: RE: Currently listening to one of my favorite rock DVD-Audio's "The Who: Tommy", FYI it's not out of print yet! posted by Teresa on June 03, 2008 at 01:04:17
Maybe the next batch??
SACD ver 1.1?
Always the optimist. Like Hillary is just "suspending" her campaign.
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I don't quite know why these features were never used. Could it be you might need a menu to access these features? So far SACDs don't have menus.
It should have been a no brainer when Warner Bros. lowered the price of their DVD-Audio's to the same price as CD meaning at discount at that time they could be purchased new for $13.99 each at most movie sites. But they offered many things CDs do not, superior sound quality, on screen lyrics, on screen slide shows, bonus music videos, interviews, etc. all for the same price.
Then they went to DualDiscs for mostly $19.99 each, now you did have to pay more and there was the concern of the extra weight and thickness.
Next came the DVD-Audio plus CD packages and price went to $24.99 each, and that was just way to much for music buyers.
I think Warner Bros. should have stuck with the original DVD-Audio format they could sell for $13.99 and be a little more aggressive promoting it. Every place that sold DVDs should have had a DVD Advanced Resolution Music space with nice displays. And every card I sent back I urged them to return to the original DVD-Audio.
Anyway there are disappearing fast at retail, and going for super high prices on eBay. If I had a crystal ball and lots of money I would have bought 100 copies of each Warner Bros. title and I could retire now on the profits. I think they gave up too soon. Look how many people have Universal players and have no DVD-Audios. Universal players had just hit the market when they gave up! There are over 100 models of Universal players currently.
And look at AIX and Classic Records they seem to be selling DVD-Audios fine even though I believe Dr. AIX said many of his customers play them on DVD-Video players.
When I see a premium release like The Who's Tommy it makes me reflect on what might have been.
Music is love,
Mono is not music to my ears.
Give me stereo or give me silence!
Teresa
Just an FYI... the reason why SACDs don't have video or other graphic information is that an authoring tool that supported these features was never finished or released. Philips at one point was working on such a tool, and I saw demos of SACDs with video (SACD are, after all, just DVDs), but it never made it to prime time. Just like there was never a car SACD system released.
We at the record companies kept asking but nothing ever materialized.
> > Just like there was never a car SACD system released. < <
Really? What's this, then? A turnip? Sony MEX-DV2000 DVD/SACD/CD Car Audio Receiver
That unit was released in 2007, which was years after the major record labels stop support of SACD. Too little much too late.
Can't add something if no develops the tools to do so. Though I wonder what SACD Video would have been like?
Music is love,
Teresa
such a capacity was ludicrous since it was "Never" going to have one. The misleading "currently" implied that maybe it was just around the corner. Horsefeathers.
Currently we cannot travel faster than the speed of light.
Currently we cannot beam humans from one spot to another even though according to Eisenstein theories it might be possible given a strong enough computer to reconstruct the human body as it is changed from matter to energy to matter again. So we currently cannot do this either but that also does not mean we will be able to do so in the future.
So that also means just because SACD currently is not using the part of the SACD scarlet book spec for Video, text and graphics as Jim kindly explained no one developed the tools to do so does not mean that we will have it in the future either.
Currently just mean we cannot do it now, it is no guarantee we will be able to do so in the future. So I short currently SACD cannot do Video, text and graphics and I personally believe Video, text and graphics will never be offered on an SACD. That is a personal belief and observation and you agree with it. But you don't like the work "currently"!
I never implied that maybe it was just around the corner, in fact I stated the opposite over and over again for my reason for chosing the DVD-Audio version of The Who's Tommy!
Horsefeathers right back at you.
Music is love,
Teresa
to talk about it not "currently" having a capacity it will never have!!!
Everyone sees the point but you. STOP.
SACD currently does not offer VIDEO, TEXT or GRAPHICS.I Teresa do not believe SACD will ever.
You DUI do not believe SACD will ever.
Everyone in the entire world understands me, No one understands why you are arguing with someone who agrees with you 100%. Instead you should try arguing with people you actually disagree with their stand.
I CAN NOT MAKE IT ANY PLAINER: I PURCHASED THE WHO'S "TOMMY" BECAUSE SACD DOES NOT CURRENTLY OFFER VIDEO AND DVD-AUDIO DOES. AND ON TOP OF THAT I DON'T BELIEVE SACD WILL EVER OFFER VIDEO But both of us could be wrong and someone makes the tools to offer the Video that is a part of the SACD Scarlet book standard.
Please in the future DO NOT argue with people who agree with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW currently is the ONLY word in the English language that can be used in this case as Video, Text and Graphics are part of the SACD Scarlet book standard. To use any other word would be disingenuous and a lie.
Also I currently cannot fly! Does this mean I will be able to fly in the future? Not very likely unless I grow wings!
Music is love,
Teresa
> > STOP < <
Dui, you are the one who needs to stop. You started a stupid, pointless argument, and you're keeping it going for no good reason. Quit acting like an idiot.
What, pray tell, is your point??
You said SACD didn't and LOL. Not having something is very different than choosing not to use something you have.Someone back then also said the SACD video quality is not quite up to DVD standards and that could be why no one has used it? But an unused portion of all SACDs still has an area reserved for Video, Graphics and Text.
I don't understand your point about non used inserts? Those can be recycled you know. Hope you weren't one of those who waited 10 years for the delayed King Crimson "In The Court Of The Crimson King" before it was finally announced the SACD version was canceled.
Big difference between a few releases being canceled and no one at all ever using three parts of the SACD specification: Video, Graphics or Text. My guess was one might have to create a menu to make these optional parts available and they seen how many listeners didn't like menus on DVD-Audios so this could have been the reason these were never explored?
Music is love,
Teresa
EVER. You are loony.
Just to let you know it is not something to be added in an updated version but "Extra data (Text, Graphics & Videos)" is in the original specification . But no one has used it yet, they are of course free to do so at anytime.
So who is the air head and the loony one? Could it be the drunk drivers lawyer? I wonder?
Music is love,
Teresa
There is no batch coming. It's a dead format. So talk about what it currently does as compared to future SACDs is hucksterism. At best.
Go sell your player again and announce your new favorite format.
Here is your entire post:
"Currently SACD doesn't have an option for Video." LOL
Maybe the next batch??
SACD ver 1.1?
Always the optimist. Like Hillary is just "suspending" her campaign."
I said "Currently SACD doesn't have an option for Video." and "Extra data (Text, Graphics & Videos) is in the original specification." Anyone, anywhere is free to add Video to an SACD as there is space reserved for it, but I do not believe anyone will. So I selected the DVD-Audio version instead of the SACD version of Tommy to get the interview with Pete Townshend. Not sure why you are having a hard time understand this simple reason?
SACD is not dead for Classical and Jazz, it's just new Rock releases are getting scarce.
I gave up a long ago trying to find everything I want in any single format. I listen to DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, SACD, CD, MP3. 24/96 WAV, 16/44/1 WAV, LP, Cassette and Reel to Reel. I feel no need to limit myself anymore. Overall I do prefer analog over digital but I do have some superb digital recordings in all the various digital formats. As I have said before "I practice format promiscuity, but I prefer analog LP, cassette and reel to reel the best." So you see a single format for me just will not do.
In the old days I listened only to 4 Track 7 1/2 IPS Reel to Reel, then in the mid 1970's high fidelity cassettes came along and I sold my reel to reel and bought audiophile cassettes only then CD came out and I sold all my cassettes and bought the Sony CDP-101 "unheard" before it even appeared on Dealer shelves as I wanted "perfect sound forever". I sold all my cassettes and my Nakamichi deck to raise the $900 I needed for the deck and few hundred more to get started on software. Well the Sony CDP-101 sucked big time, CD at that time sucked big time and this was the biggest mistake of my life and last time I believed advertisers!
Anyway after trading in the CDP-101 I never had a single format again, I have had favorites. The closest I came to single format was when I first adopted SACD, I had SACDs and 24/96 DADs and then I sold the DADs so I only had SACDs for home and cassettes for the Car. SACDs and Cassettes was it for a couple of years. Since finding a mint Nakamichi at the Thrift store I now can play my cassettes at home as well as in the car. Now I have and play anything, turns out no format has everything I want.
I the old days I had to sell off my hardware and recordings to try another format and thus could only afford one format at a time. Some of the richer people here don't understand that poor working folks don't have money growing on trees. As my music collection grew I discovered I didn't have to sell all of my recordings to purchase new hardware, I only had to weed out my least favorites to raise the money needed. You might say thanks to eBay I can now afford multiple formats.
Music is love,
Teresa
You win the war of "Who is willing to to keep talking endlessly to hide a flawed point". Call me when you get that SACD.
That is what I have been trying to tell you but you are just not understanding all. Even though Video, text and graphics have been part of the spec of SACD from Day 1 I never expect there to be an SACD with Video, text or graphics but I could be wrong.
Think to yourself and reread this whole thread and you will learn why I purchased The Who's Tommy on DVD-Audio instead of SACD.
You got it yet? OK I'll give you a hint, it's the Pete Towhnsend video interview only on DVD-Audio! DUH! I didn't know anyone anywhere could be so dense as you? Maybe I should draw a picture for you next time!
Music is love,
Teresa
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I believe (not fact but my belief) that SACD will never have Video. You don't think it will either. You know we both could be wrong, someone could invent the needed tools tomorrow. I don't believe they will but other things have happened I never would have believed either, so who knows?
When are you going to understand why I bought The Who's "Tommy" on DVD-Audio instead of SACD? Did you buy it yet and how do you like it? I am pretty impressed myself.
Music is love,
Teresa
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