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In Reply to: RE: Stand-Alone DACs posted by AbeCollins on September 01, 2024 at 06:13:40
> Roon doesn't support as many streaming services but it combines your streaming picks with your local music library in a clean single view. It supports Qobuz and Tidal w/o needing those Apps. Playlists can consist of selections from a streaming service (Qobuz or Tidal in my case) combined with my local music library.
In those respects Roon and BluOS work in the same way
> I don't know what you mean by BluOS has no contact with the signal. Roon server (used to be called Core) needs to be running somewhere on your network on a PC, Mac, NAS. Roon can also be running on other PCs, Macs, on your network and those can be used for playback and/or control. Or you can use a tablet or phone for control and/or playback. The permutations are so many and that's probably why Roon doesn't provide a simple diagram.
What I meant was that the BluOS app does not need to be running (ie all platforms are off) to play the prepared Playlist. Once tracks are selected for play, there is no longer any requirement to keep any BluOS app device open. Android, iPad, Mac, Windows and / or Kindle can all be off and the streamer continues to play as these devices are not handling the signal - they are only used to select music - whereas Roon needs to be running. Otherwise (as I understand it) music stops playing if Roon is shut down. It is this extra signal processing that puts me off Roon in principle, although I do see its advantages.
> It outputs signal to any Roon, Chromecast, AirPlay, Sonos, or SqueezeBox compatible device on your network.
As my NAD is Roon compatible, it can be controlled by Roon. My concern is just that - Roon controls the signal as, without Roon being active, the streamer would be dead. On the other hand, it remains alive if BluOS app is completely shut down.
I'm sure that Roon does little harm to the signal, but I'd always prefer to avoid any processor in the system that isn't strictly necessary.
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I'm still not getting your point. Something must be playing your music. Your BluOS must be running somewhere, probably on your NAD whenever the NAD is turned-ON."What I meant was that the BluOS app does not need to be running (ie all platforms are off) to play the prepared Playlist. "
I too can shut-off the Roon App on my iPad, iPhone, or whatever and the music keeps playing on the device that was directed to receive the music. So Roon on the iPad and iPhone are not 'touching' the signal. In fact once my playlist is playing I can shut off the iPad or iPhone and the music keeps playing through my streamer(s).
But Roon Server (was Core) needs to be running somewhere. In my case Roon Server is on the NAS. I bet BluOS is running somewhere in your system, probably on the NAD.
Edits: 09/06/24
> I too can shut-off the Roon App on my iPad, iPhone, or whatever and the music keeps playing on the device that was directed to receive the music. So Roon on the iPad and iPhone are not 'touching' the signal. In fact once my playlist is playing I can shut off the iPad or iPhone and the music keeps playing through my streamer(s).
> But Roon Server (was Core) needs to be running somewhere. In my case Roon Server is on the NAS. I bet BluOS is running somewhere in your system, probably on the NAD.
OK, I think I need to clarify. Yes, BluOS hardware is installed in the NAD and the BluOS control app is on an iPad, or one of 4 other platforms and these can all be turned off without upsetting the music play queue.
Roon, it seems to me is a piece of hardware (Core / Server) that is often based on a NUC PC or is their Nucleus device, and this needs to be kept running or the music will stop. The Roon control app (on iPad, etc) can be switched off from what you say - I hadn't realised that.
So, the NAD includes the equivalent of the Core / Server within its case and it doesn't require any interconnect, while the Roon Core / Server needs either an Ethernet or USB connection. It seems unfortunate that extra hardware is needed (with an interconnect) where the NAD has this hardware inside its case. The BluOS control app is free, but the Room control app requires a subscription.
Have I now understood the difference?
I believe there are a few streamers that include a Room Core / Streamer within their cases, eg the Grimm MU2 and I'm disappointed there aren't more such streamers if only to reduce box count, power cables and interconnects.
In use, I have found that BluOS offers everything the Room does apart from Roon's "radio" feature. I found this quite useful during my month trial, but I couldn't justify the price of a Room Core (NUC / Nucleus) and its subscription.
I feel sure there must be other reasons why so many people go the Room route, but I suspect it's largely because the owner's streamer doesn't offer a decent control app!
Many years ago (when I was using Sonos with its excellent app), I was reluctant to upgrade until I found a streamer with a control app as useful as the Sonos one. I rejected Naim and Linn, but eventually found NAD's BluOS offering and have been using it since my first NAD streamer.
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