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In Reply to: RE: Streaming posted by Cut-Throat on May 09, 2024 at 14:30:14
Apparently my writing wasn't clear. First, the music streaming was at a high end dealer, so you can bet that it was first rate. The sound of the music was excellent. There was no difference to my ears between CDs and the music that was streamed. I had no complaint about the sonic quality, and I know enough about streaming to know it's considered better quality than CDs (with the right setup and source).
I also clearly understand the basics of streaming, since I regularly stream content from the internet. What made you come to that conclusion?
What was detestable to me was using the bloody thing. I found it obnoxious, which is within my right. Streaming music is not by definition obnoxious or detestable. But to me it was. So why should I invest time and energy in something I disliked so much? Surely you're not suggesting that because others like it so much that I must also. (I know. Don't call you Surely.)
As noted, I was extremely glad to get the experience. Streaming has replaced CDs the way CDs replaced vinyl in terms of popularity. It was a blessing to try a new media to see if I'd like it. And I didn't. I also don't like cooked beets.
Mali noted all the CDs in his(?) collection. Mine is a paltry 1000 or so, yet I too have enough music for the rest of this lifetime and well into the Great Beyond.
I had no idea that my comment would cause offense. My appreciation of the comment was clearly noted. And that stands.
Perhaps that clears things up. Let me know if it doesn't.
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is spending more time listening than shuffling and/or transferring media from one system to another. Whether streaming from a service or your own local library. My collection is similar to yours with about 1100 titles mostly ripped from CDs but with quite a few 24 bit downloads.
I particularly enjoy putting it on random play to rediscover forgotten "old friends". Skip over what you don't want using your watch, phone or pad device.
BTW, my library fits on one of these used with an Oppo 103 in the HT system:
I'm not quite clear about your reference to "shuffling and/or transferring", but I'm not as sharp as I used to be.
As noted in another post, I can't stand scrolling through a menu. That's my biggest complaint about streaming or transferring CDs to files. But clearly, mine is a minority view these days.
It's an intriguing idea to use random play for discovering "old friends". Maybe I can do the same thing by using a blindfold and reaching for a CD.
Thanks for the comments.
There are lots of different ways to choose streaming music besides scrolling through endless lists. Most programs have a good search function that will quickly take you directly to the album, artist or song you're looking for. Most also have a "favorites" tag which you can organize in several ways -- date added, genre, alpha, etc. letting you skip all the material you don't care for.
One of my favorite things about streaming is the ability to quickly give a listen to new releases or albums recommended by others without having to buy a copy. Can't begin to tell you how many new-to-me artists and albums that I absolutely love that I've found this way. And, I can also quickly scratch a lot of stuff off my list that doesn't interest me without having to buy a CD. Lots of stuff doesn't last much past a 15 or 20 second listen. But, I also know that some people have no interest in finding anything new-to-them.
As for my local collection (about 60,000 tracks) I have those organized in a folder/subfolder format that I chose so I can walk through those much faster than I could ever get through my CD or LP collection.
But, that's the nice thing about this hobby -- lots of options and each of can pursue what makes us happy.
Yes, I agree that being able to preview a track is nice. I always like that when looking to buy a CD on line. Very few outlets have that feature anymore. ArkiveMusic used to but their catalog is a mere shadow of what it used to be, with no previews any more.
As you say, many options and to each his own. That's what surprised me about the tone of a number of the posts. I do find it interesting to know why you and others like streaming. It simply has no appeal to me, as stated before. No big deal either way as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks for the comments.
So sad what Arkivmusic has devolved into.For classical, if you aren't already familiar with them, try Presto Music. Since they are also a provider of streaming much of their catalog offers "samples", which is better than nothing! I've ordered from them several times and they are a good source for current catalog items, otherwise I buy used from Amazon.
And I think beets (reference to an above post of yours) taste like dirt, raw or cooked. My teen daughter LOVES them!
Currently streaming the live Met Opera radio broadcast of Puccini's Madama Butterfly.***
***What an OUTSTANDING performance. The Met announcers voices are trembling, can hear them crying. Wouldn't have heard it but for streaming!
Edits: 05/11/24
Thanks for the reminder. I had completely forgotten about Presto but find it was bookmarked as a source long ago.
Perhaps ArkivMusic was just a victim of bad business. Apparently, they couldn't sustain all the costs involved in maintaining the website, shipping, etc. Their new website with its partial catalogue just isn't the same, so I've never ordered anything from them since.
Are you familiar with Berkshire Record Outlet? Their prices are incredibly low. Half my classical collection or more is from them. Their catalog us good but not necessarily comprehensive. The bargains, however, more than make up for that. The prices can be so low that I've often gambled on unknown artists or music and have been delighted.
I do the blindfold reach for CDs from time to time when in the mood. I'll put one on and often don't even recognize the music. I'll be enjoying something very much, look at the label, and see it's something I wouldn't have put on voluntarily by a long shot. So it goes.Don't be surprised by my not recognizing the music since I have a very diverse collection of many obscure works. I'm talking classical, obviously. When I listen to the "unknown" CD it's fun to try to figure out what it is.
Edits: 05/10/24
I may give that a try, since several posts have mentioned it. Might be fun, although there are still some CDs in their wrappers, so identifying the music might be a real challenge.
I'm not quite clear about your reference to "shuffling and/or transferring", but I'm not as sharp as I used to be.To play a CD/SACD:
1. Go find it. Which may or may not be quick and easy. I used to alphabetize mine but still must locate where they're stored (used to be closet in listening room) then pull a jewel case out in order to see/verify what's on it.
2. Remove disk from case.
3. Carry to player.
4. Open player drawer.
5. Place disk inside.
6. Close drawer.
7. Use remote or push play.
8. Upon completion, roughly repeat steps 1-6 in reverse order.If you have more than one system like I do, then step #1 might require more travel time to access. Or, burn CDR copies for convenience as I once did for the garage system.
With local digital library (mine lives on NAS) or streaming service:
1. Run app from watch, phone or pad.
2. Select fastest way to locate intended content-by folder, artist, genre, date, new release, playlist, random song mix, search text if you're not exactly sure which artist or album, from streaming service, etc.
3. Click play. There's nothing to redo upon completion.Different strokes for different folks.
It's an intriguing idea to use random play for discovering "old friends". Maybe I can do the same thing by using a blindfold and reaching for a CD.
There you go. You just have to do it lots of times! I'm able to refine the list by choosing from one or more genres for inclusion or exclusion (like test tracks or holiday music).
Edits: 05/10/24
I never thought about the steps before, so I guess they don't bother me. And at my age, getting up and down to change CDs represents much of the physical activity I might get in a day. Wonder if Richard Simmons thought of that for getting in shape.
Yep. Different strokes. That's what I like about audiophilia.
And at my age, getting up and down to change CDs represents much of the physical activity I might get in a day.
Exercise is a good thing. At 67, I get some of my "stand time" in listening in the garage. Saturdays are good for wifey and me to get in a long walk. :)
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