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In Reply to: RE: As Story implied ... posted by Feanor on February 17, 2024 at 04:17:40
What does this even mean: "Amir would heard what the recording sounds like without reproduction chain component modification"??
--Yes or No: do you think component should change the inherent qualities of the recording?--
Once I would have said no that the inherent qualities of the recording should not be changed. But I have evolved to realize the the "inherent qualities of the recording" is a myth.
1st off the recording is mixed on specific gear...its a whole chain. Unless you have that same exact equipment in the same exact room you will never hear what the engineer heard anyhow.
2nd, even if you were to live in the same exact studio and use the same gear, everyone hears differently...ears have different shapes and our hearing is different anyhow.
3rd, a recording is basically fake. Its processed and processed to get a certain sound usually to make sure it sounds good on a car stereo or phone. Therefore it is best to get a system sound you like- listening to gear in your specific chain is vital since every piece of gear impacts the chain and the end sound. Given 1 and 2 its crucial to listen to make sure the SYSTEM is to your liking.
4th. Measurements do little to tell you how the component sounds in your system unless you listen to graphs.
5th, sometimes chicks need makeup so having some tone controls or processing to change the sound based on the recording can lead to more enjoyment of the music. That's more important than some "review" that never even listens to the gear.
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Follow Ups:
He does! ;)
First re. Amir, what I mean was, "Amir would hear what the recording sounds like without reproduction chain component modification"; (minor typo).I certainly agree that recordings are highly variable in quality, (however you measure that), and also by the intent of the sound engineers who produced them.
After that I start to disagree. In the first place, most "fiddling" with the sound isn't going to work, possibly excepting very simple fixes such as EQing the FR to you preference. But you aren't going to fix, say, the perspective that the engineers created -- by this I mean was sound intended to be "close up" or "10th-row orchestra".
The exception to "fiddling" would be applying sophisticated room correction but the purpose of that is to accurately deliver the intended sound of the recording, not to change it.
Ultimately if you don't like the sound of the accurately reproduced recording, find a different recording.
Dmitri Shostakovich
Edits: 02/20/24
Feanor,For a little while I found myself with 3 different DACs at home. All three Chinese, all three with impeccable SINAD performances, all three theoretically completely neutral.
One is a SMSL SU8v2, one is a Gustard A18, one is a Gustard X26 Pro.
One is a very cheap DAC, the second is entry level, the third is the most "serious" component but still very affordable compared to occidental, high end devices. Yet, they all show impeccable measurements.
Those three DACs DO NOT SOUND THE SAME. If they do Not sound the same, it means at least two of them aren't 100% neutral and transparent; most likely none of them is. So, one would be mislead in thinking perfect measurements buy you a perfectly neutral DAC. It just sin't that simple. In the end, only listening matters. What sounds right to you in your system, is right.
Edits: 02/21/24 02/21/24
NIce post and IMHO you nailed it at the end. Its a SYSTEM...and why one needs to listen in their SYSTEM. Also components have different interactions that I certainly can't figure out from a spec sheet or measurements from "SINAD reviews".
Cut to razor sounding violins
Yeah me too on the disagree part.
First re. Amir, what I mean was, "Amir would hear what the recording sounds like without reproduction chain component modification"; (minor typo).
Its the "reproduction chain component modification" part that I am not getting. Again its unlikely that he has the same gear that the recording was mastered on and even if it was exact, thats just a handfull of recordings and even then his hearing is going to be different than the engineers.
After that I start to disagree. In the first place, most "fiddling" with the sound isn't going to work, possibly excepting very simple fixes such as EQing the FR to you preference. But you aren't going to fix, say, the perspective that the engineers created -- by this I mean was sound intended to be "close up" or "10th-row orchestra".
Actually I have the Black Ice soundstage expander and my headphone amp has a crossfeed circuit. Both are adjustable and you would be surprised at how much control one has on how close up everything is. I use headphones exclusively now, but I am betting that the same would be the case with speakers. Also, when I had speakers you absolutely could change the close up or 10th row by how you set them up. Not saying that is practical for each song like the current setup is but I was able to set up nearfield and everything was close up. Now since its headphones (electrostatic earbuds mostly) and everything is in the head I adjust things to give a further view of things...
Ultimately if you don't like the sound of the accurately reproduced recording, find a different recording Guessing you listen to classical primarily. Other genres don't have that luxury and I would wager over 99% of my collection has one and only one recording.
BTW I have some studio gear which I assume to be neutral and when I listen to that it never sounds as good as the adjusted sound particularly on the bass. Said another way, IMHO bass boost at a minimum is necessary with headphones.
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Dmitri Shostakovich
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