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In Reply to: RE: I thought Ivan's point was obvious (nt) posted by Isaak J. Garvey on March 17, 2017 at 20:33:02
No the point is Ivan has a sense of irony that you obviously don't.
Andreas Koch's credentials are impressive but, as JA notes somewhere in this thread, he is inextricably linked with DSD. Would you really expect him to endorse a rival? Also, the Xivero paper you refenced is from a company with a rival technique to reduce file size who are bashing MQA to get publicity.
Your posts show an almost pathological hatred of MQA extending to Meridian and Bob Stuart himself. Your moniker is a Music Industry 'Professional' and I asked you some time ago if you had a financial stake in the success, or not, of MQA, to which you wrote 'no'. Perhaps the adoption of MQA would make your job either harder, or less important?
Follow Ups:
Ok, let's take a stab at this. To suggest that as a developer of DSD that some how Andreas Koch is compromised in his opinion of MQA is PREPOSTEROUS. He has also been deeply involved in PCM. And analog to boot! A ridiculous argument. Actually absurd.Xivero does not in any way compete with MQA/Meridian. Another crazy assertion.
MQA has zero impact on my job. I just can;t stand back as consumer, like everybody else, and watch this sham unfold. if you think I am rough, you should hear what our staff production people think of this..brutal.
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You know, Isaak, I heeded what seemed like your healthy skepticism over MQA (not that I am likely to purchase any licensed hardware or software).
But your skepticism has become unhealthy. As well as a lack of irony you have no nuance, which is fine, but you will convince more people of your views if you did or, at least, tried.
To suggest that there was anything other than philanthropy about the AK/PF 'interview' or the Xivero 'white paper' labels me as preposterous, ridiculous, absurd and crazy. That really swung me to your way of thinking.
You even have JA being less than completely polite. And I have read his considered replies to lots a crap thrown his way on AA. Perhaps the only thing people will take away from the MQA debates on AA is that JA called you a dick! Not really the outcome you wanted.
13DoW
So you don't like the messenger, but agree with the message. Your perfect right.
"Perhaps the only thing people will take away from the MQA debates on AA is that JA called you a dick!"
No, that is what YOU seem to take away.
"Not really the outcome you wanted."
I could not possibly care less. I have nothing to be embarrassed about.
It reflects a bad light on another party. I plan on hammering away.
"Perhaps the only thing people will take away from the MQA debates on AA is that JA called you a dick!"
I don't subscribe to Stereophile and I don't agree with JA very often when he posts here, but in this one case...
"It was the kind of place, if you hadn't been able to name call in the school yard, you could go there and do it."
MIGHT, but apparently not in this case.
I suspect that if you or I took to calling JA a 'dick' very often we wouldn't be around for long.
Yes, but if that were to happen, I would think that's fair, I'm happy to see the AA rules for civility applied. Evenly is best, but it's good that they're applied at all.
The only time I recall getting into trouble for name calling was over fifty years ago. It was a mixed race school, and the black students had taken it upon themselves to teach the white kids to be better behaved on racial matters than were their parents. Today that would be done through sensitivity classes, but back then the black kids did it with their fists.
Anyway, I was playing in the school yard, and I had some difference in opinion with one of the black kids. I remember calling him a black liar, by which I meant that he was evil, nothing more. But I saw the look on his face, and immediately knew I was in trouble, so I ran into the school and stayed in through noon break and recess. During classes I tried to explain to him that my meaning was that he was evil, that I hadn't meant anything racial, and he seemed to accept that, and as far as I could tell, we were okay. So it came as a surprise that at the end of the school day, as I left the safety of the school, he grabbed my arm and hit me three times, hard, in the stomach. With the admonition never to say that again. It seemed unfair, but at the same time I realized I had gotten off easy.
Daniel
As I said, in point of fact, he has done this on several occasions to get threads that were inconvenient to his publication taken down. And it worked, previously.
Perhaps because he was right?
Just a possibility.
I think he became annoyed when he read "Stereophile, the ultimate MQA cheerleader has lost all credibility ... ", which strictly speaking isn't true. Stereophile isn't a consumer magazine, there is no business model that would support that, the consumers don't appear to be willing to pay for that, but at the same time, it's not an industry shill either. I think most AA people are appreciative of the work that JA does. And he clearly takes his integrity and the integrity of his magazine seriously.
I do think you could make your points more effectively if you toned down the animosity.
Daniel
It is also possible he got annoyed because an industry icon who is far, far more accomplished, and whose imprint is incredibly deep in both the recording and consumer playback world, in both digital AND analog(!) feels that Meridian is engaging in a desperate marketing lie to save it's skin.And to claim he is biased because he is a proponent of DSD was rather pathetic.
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If not pathetic, a sophism. I agree with that.Daniel
Edits: 03/23/17
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlZJBhUqGW8)
John and Isaak, you should watch this. I'm mad at an old friend but this made us both laugh in the past. I'm going to throw it out at him tonight and see what happens....Mark K.
Honestly, Stereophile/Audiostream's own words back this up, although to be fair and accurate Robert Harley at TAS has been just over the top. So they are the Co-Ultimate.Exhibit A;
John Atkinson, Stereophile (link below)
"In almost 40 years of attending audio press events, only rarely have I come away feeling that I was present at the birth of a new world. In March 1979, I visited the Philips Research Center in Eindhoven, Holland and heard a prototype of what was to be later called the Compact Disc. In the summer of 1982, I visited Ron Genereux and Bob Berkovitz at Acoustic Research's lab near Boston and heard a very early example of the application of DSP to the correction of room acoustic problems. And in early December, at Meridian's New York offices, I heard Bob Stuart describe the UK company's MQA technology, followed by a demonstration that blew my socks off.
With a pair of Meridian digital active speakers being fed audio data from a laptop, Bob was playing 24-bit files with sample rates up to 192kHz, yet the data rate was not much more than the CD's 1.5Mbps! Not only that, but there was palpability to the sound, a transparency to the original event, that I have almost never heard before, which Jason Victor Serinus can testify to."
Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/ive-heard-future-streaming-meridians-mqa#lF0OIuTJJigsqaJA.99
"The birth of a new world"...
"Not only that, but there was palpability to the sound, a transparency to the original event, that I have almost never heard before."
Never heard before. Hmmmm.
I find it impossible to take any body seriously who prints this kind of preposterous nonsense. MQA is just as valid as the dawn of the Compact Disc? Really. Wow.
And since 2014, it has just snowballed from there. Numerous show reports where Sterephile and Audiostream writers waxed poetic about how glorious MQA was after being part of carefully controlled demos orchestrated by Meridian. Then later they were sent MQA files to evaluate on an MQA DAC with no non DSP'd files for comparison. Although I do remember Atkinson saying he had his own master files of some recordings MQA'd and was able to compare
So you see...their own words make the case.
I am not sure what you mean by saying Stereophile is not a consumer magazine. Then it is an industry magazine? It can't be both, you can server two masters. That is an eternal truth.
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