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In Reply to: RE: Pinging Tangram _ Jon L. posted by el34eh@yahoo.com on April 26, 2023 at 09:21:13
Here is a pic of the argento flow master reference next to the copper colour silver plug and Neardost silver Odin, the argento has been sold and the silver Odin replaced by Accuphase 40th.
Mind boggling I know. BTW the argento are the real Mcoy! However I did not loose any money when I sold on. I also had the flow and found it lifeless.
Edits: 04/26/23 04/26/23Follow Ups:
Tangram,
As always..., thanks for sharing. Judging from the look of the layout of your AC receptacle, I'm assuming you don't reside in the USA?, based on the fact the carbon fiber receptacle is turned sideways, yet I'd be wrong?.
Might I ask what do you use to clean the pure silver AC blades on the Copper Colour connector?, some form of silver cleaning solution?, or wipes?. Very neatly laid out as well.
And where do you feel offers the best benefit with said silver plated copper PCs?, as mentioned earlier | I only use three components where to date, only the DAC uses said type of cord..., as the Accuphase 40th Anniversary, I'm to assume because of its heavier gauge than the older Odin Gold ( 17AWG ) is much more responsive on the Aurender server, where I remain very very impressed by its overall sense of musicality | rightfulness tonality wise.
I always use Kontak audio cleaning fluid. I like the all silver on all, depending the choice of chord is correct of course. As stated I will be trying the Rhodium monosaudio . A problem with the argento which were rhodium plated was that the plating did rub off , down to the bare copper , and only after half a dozen or so in and out. Most unsatisfying , given the cost.
Edits: 04/26/23
Thanks as always Young Man.
So I made up my 5 meter set of xlr using the Xangsane 9003ag, after around 90 hrs continuous hrs it was time to evaluate, replacing the 1 meter set of 9001 ag between my phono and preamp yielded instantly lowering of colourations throughout, Coltrane sax is fuller now with a kind of darkness that was present, much lowered now, just so much fuller and much more musically engaging, double bass boogies much more while cymbals are larger with more decay and believability. Indeed quite special El 34. Definitely the most resolute and musically engaging I have experienced here.
Then I returned the 9001ag between phono and preamp and replaced the Neardost odin gold long interconnects with the 5 meter 9003ag. The magic was lost, they were showing up the re insertion of the 9001ag upstream I guess.
So now I will just go back to 9003ag between phono and preamp and Odin gold between the preamp and poweramp to restore the magic and now order a I meter set of 9003ag bulk wire to replace the 9001ag and then compare the long lengths of 9003ag V Odin gold.
Not too far away now!!!
Tangram,
Thanks for offering your take on said cabling comparison | following upon it.
I had once again felt there would be differences heard on your end, yet not to the point as you stated the magic was lost in placing the SP-9001Ag IC's between your preamp ( but I'd have to assume because of the more relaxed | delicate signature of the Odin Gold..., allows for a slightly richer | warmer sense of tonality goes a long ways in having restored said balance as you've noted ) | power amp, but in hindsight that's why I've come to believe for years the most important pair of IC's ( which makes or breaks the system ) are for me the ones connected at the source, in my case the DAC going into either of my integrated amps which have been rotated into the system, as I can't say I personally miss those days of using separates during the periods between 1989-1997, and have chosen to merely simplify things | my life and staying committed to said integrated's.
Yet I'm still curious to know how either the 9003Ag or 9001Ag would serve as a pair of SCs?, as I'm thinking either using sterling silver would ideally offer better sonics, as compared to silver plated copper!, of which I've been watching the Grey Knight 6008Ag fairly cheap as chips SCs, just in case I decide to give both them and their matching IC's a try?, purely based upon how impressed I'm with his power cord | which is here for life.
As always | extremely nice report on said matters.
Thanks again for your willingness to share.
After the initial listening between 9001 and 9003, the 9001 went back in position between phono and preamp and then the 9003 replaced the Odin gold ( this is where I always intended to be ) they were left here where further listening commenced.
Much improved from day before which flags up to me ( more than any other cables ) that much greater benefit is achieved from leaving as is and leave overnight and to evaluate when this is achieved?
Simply the 9003 is an absolute revelation and it will take a while for my grey matter to adjust, the sheer control this has, it just takes everything in its stride but it's the lowering of colourations that realy shines through, allowing much more of the music being heard with new tonal contrasts and dynamic shadings heard now aplomb , much improved listener involvement, and goosebumps aplenty. I understand now where you are coming from EL34. To compare against the Odin gold is now pointless, where I will be desoldering the xlr and reusing. I can't wait to do the completion between the phono and preamp with the incoming 9003 bulk wire incoming.( then I can compare again also between the 9001 and 9003 and know for sure also about a settling period being more apparent here.
Regarding as a speaker wire, yes I did try, right at the start before making into xlr. They were inserted and poweramp left on for approx 3 and half days, with a couple of sessions. The sound was rather congested, with not too much dimensionality, they were just ok. Of course being 5 metres each and their gauge would not help here, it would have been entirely different if the lengths were halved again so as to have 4 x 2.5 metres so having 4x .5 millimetre conductors twisted. Iam certainly very keen here to pursue and even try the actual speaker silver wire they do . I just need to sell some of my sundries lying around.
The reason for 5 meter interconnect is because my system sounds much better when the ancillaries/ stand is at the side and not in between the speakers.
I was of the opinion just like you EL 34 regarding integrated amps as my allnic and unison research are both like this, however this changed somewhat from January with my solid state purchase, but that's another story!
A big thankyou El34 Iam over the moon I took your advice and try Xangsane silver!
ANYONE READING THIS, YOU DO NEED TO TRY THIS SPECIAL CABLE,IT REALY IS VERY SPECIAL AT ANY PRICE.
Tangram,
I'd like you know why you've chosen Copper Colour pure copper power plugs over their rhodium plated copper options?, is there something about the sonics of said pure silver connectors you just like or hear more from said purity of this metal?. As I've a set of their red copper plugs | I'm thinking of buying a sold rhodium plated AC Male..., as I've read on various forums many prefer them to the current Viborg copper makes, due to what Duster had reported sometimes ago regarding the added layer of some sort of deoxidize based substance onto the blades.
Currently Judith | Jon L recommended | proven as far as I'm concerned use of said tandem of rhodium ac | copper iec plugs ideally fit into what I now hear as " Mi-Absolute ", so those few silver plated copper IeGO | SonarQuest | Vanguard plugs remain boxed up. I'm even thinking of just buying this set ( and exchange the iec female plug out for the one I already have ):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/382965615275?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ef7Kt2EkRcy&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=12wYTLIlRo-&var=651618478783&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
And..., it's a big " AND ", please don't overlook the Xangsane P-6008Ag or Grey Knight GK-6008Ag power cords to add even more layering | depth | separation of notes to the mix, this I once again have to believe simply is one of those items one needs to understand | commit to based upon its sense of uniqueness | beauty..., provided you follow the above mentioned tandem of rhodium | copper, I believe once heard, many will get my ongoing praise for said cord.
Next up..., Xangsane SCs and I need not search any longer I honestly feel.
Let there be light indeed.
I have been using the copper colour pure SOLID silver plug/iec for several years now, they always are my preferred choice so far having tried various combinations. Presently Iam using a Accuphase with CC pure silver plug /iec and Accuphase CC pure silver plug and Viborg silver over copper ( the only reason for the Viborg silver over copper is the fact I have not got around to purchasing the CC pure silver ) I also have CC beryllium copper plug but prefer the solid silver.
I also am using the YY audio cable with their rhodium plug and iec to my balanced power transformer with great effect.
Now I have not tried a set of monos audio rhodium on my Accuphase as I am so delighted with performance as mentioned above. I do intend in purchasing another Accuphase and the bulk wire Grey night 9008 where I can swap around with what is my reference as above. As you know it is easy to get carried away and loose reference if rushed or do too much at once.
With the incoming 9003 ag interconnect arriving I do need breathing space for a month or two to realy appreciate their performance.
Are you able to purchase the Xangsane SC in black instead of the green as they are a bit loud I should say.? I would imagine their pure silver SC would be very special indeed !
Tangram,
Once again an excellent explanation on your chosen plating types, as I've several sets of copper plugs, yet am awaiting another rhodium plated copper ac male, as well as a silver plated Viborg ac male to use with the singles of both matching iec female plugs I've stored for said purposes.
It seems I'm still reluctant to use gold plated plugs with the exception being on the speaker cable end towards the speaker themselves | where I use rhodium plated ones on the amp side of things.
Yet with your testing, it does offer me other options to chew on, and I know things will come together nicely before it's all said and done.
Thanks for just being.
The 1 metre xangsane 9003ag just finished, complete with a soft outer sheathing. Now for a few hours of burn in, and then a week of digital playback !
Hello. What connectors did you use for the 9003 XLRs?
Thanks.
Wonderful job..., Viborg plugs at that.
Edits: 05/18/23
So What's the final verdict What do you recommend for IC PC and SC
Least I forget..., the sole power cord of choice used on any of the DACs I've owned, remains a Jena Labs Crimson Red RX Silver Plated Copper | Braided from 5 stands of Japanese annealed said wiring harness ( $250 | 1.5m ) with a set of IeGO 8095 ( set | $295 ) pure silver - rhodium plated plugs.
Where it brings about a more realistic presentation as if a real flesh and blood vocalist is standing before me | not saying cords before it were bad, just this cord makes any given vocalist once again sound more " here, here " than " there, there " is you give my drift?.
Once again, in the end it's always finding a way to have one's reproduction of music rendered in a manner in which collectively the components sound | feel right.
Edits: 05/27/23 05/27/23
coolkiko,
After years and years trying to just come across a very responsive | as neutrally balanced tandem of cables | cords, having excepted offers from friends abroad | through the Cable Company..., said tandem which has seriously caused me to end my own personal quest are as follows:
Xangsane SP-9003Ag ( Sterling Silver IC's ) | Grey Knight GK-6008Ag ( Silver Plated PC ) primarily used on either of my integrated amps of which are being rotated in and out of the system at any given time " period " | Accuphase 40th Anniversary Edition ( Pure Copper ) placed onto my Aurender Music Server ( where the power plug blades are a tandem of Monosaudio M109R Rhodium Plated Copper AC Male | Viborg VF513 Red Copper IEC Female, both of which are also being used on the above Grey Knight PC | Speaker Cables ( of which I've ended up with 7 pairs ) yet my 3 favorites to date are the Kudos Audio KS-1 ( Silver Plated Copper | 12' | $407, yet my second pair was basically free ) | Pearl Acoustics Sibelius ( Pure Copper | 3.8m | $507 shipped from Belgium ) | Clear Day Cables Shotgun ( Pure Silver | 15' | $350 ) each offers enough differences to focus my attention on the recordings themselves in a manner, of which I've found just brings about a sense of engagement I never noticed earlier on.
As for the other cables which I feel ideally are meant to be paired with the above, are the Xangsane XS-006 USB Cable ( Sterling Silver | 1.5M | $105 ) this once again after having owned cables like the Audience AU24 Pure Copper ( 1.5M | $945 ) | In-Akustik Referenze Pure Copper ( 1.5M | $550 from Germany ) * " this was the most actually detailed pure copper cable I've ever heard " | Neutral Cable Reference " i " Pure Silver ( 1.5m | $770 from Italy ) | Jena Labs Stream Dancer 2 Pure Copper ( 1.5m | 650 ) | Curious Cable Original Pure Silver ( 1.5m | 450 ) | Evolved Pure Silver ( 1.5m | $550 both from Australia )..., yet said Xangsane was recommended to me on behalf by an fellow member here " Dantheman ", which I immediately knew within placing it into my system 2 minutes later bettered said others ones ( costlier to boot ) to the point, I've chosen to life with it for whatever period of time I've left on the planet?.
And lastly, said other pairs of SCs are ones built from bulk wiring from brands like, In-Akustik " Germany " | Gotham Audio Cables " Switzerland " | Sommer Cable " Germany " | NEARdost Valhalla 2 " China " none of which have made it into the system yet.
As I now hear it | understand more importantly the vital meaning of synergy even more these days, let's just say once any given person, knows without a doubt their system is locked or dialed in, I often refer to it as " it's clicking ", it's time to sit back and know that to better what one often has right before them, in many many cases cost thousands to better, that's why as I try my best to listen to each component individually, only then studying its sound, and learning what type of signature is required by the other components which are meant to play correctly beside or behind said piece.
In a perfect world, if many given brands were so great sounding, other than one looking to upgrade further up the range, the tell tale sign for me at least, is when I see so many offered for sake on HiFi Shark, I mean whom in the right might enjoys buying what's meant to be the next best thing, only to see it listed as for sale within 2-5 weeks after having purchased it, or said piece?, logically either one doesn't understand synergy?, or loves buying blinding, without knowing how to match said piece with likeminded components?, which means either rethinking shit, and going laterally, or admitting to oneself they fucked up, and find themselves going full circle.
I'm Canadian born, and know we're viewed as a friendly natured culture, yet there are times where cussing just feels right, so forgive me that.
thanks for the much needed info
You're more than welcome.
Tangram,
As always thanks for the kind words | as you've discovered it makes sense to leave things as is, I'm very very reluctant to change out IC's | while I've collected 9 pairs of them since this time last year, the others are purchased out of curiosity | because I've come to believe they're each worthy of ownership | yet more often than not will have to wait their turn to make it into the system ( as it's usually takes 10-18 months before I even feel the need to explore said possibilities ) and while I'll occasionally sell a pair here and there..., it's a means of sharing, versus trying to push garbage on anyone, as that simply isn't the way I was raised.
Thanks for the following upon on said cables used as SCs, as I had already gauged that if I were to once again try another pair ( as I've 6 pairs which aren't currently being used ) it would in fact be a 4M pair of the Xangsane SP-6008Ag version, as I don't find their color choice here as offensive as with the power cord, which cord a mere $98, in my mind I'd always rather know, than not:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805109005594.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.43115937W4cfbS&gps-id=pcDetailFavMayLike&scm=1007.12873.274955.0&scm_id=1007.12873.274955.0&scm-url=1007.12873.274955.0&pvid=ef0c07e1-0ac9-49e3-959c-cae3a9f536cb&_t=gps-id%3ApcDetailFavMayLike%2Cscm-url%3A1007.12873.274955.0%2Cpvid%3Aef0c07e1-0ac9-49e3-959c-cae3a9f536cb%2Ctpp_buckets%3A668%232846%238113%231998&isseo=y&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2174.0%2137.0%21%21%21%21%21%402103011716839998786537226e18fb%2112000032528035971%21rec%21US%21914216663&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa
Like the logo for LG Oled TVs, " Life's Good ", especially when we're open-minded enough to learn said truths for ourselves.
Take care young man | until next time..., may your life | household be filled with joy | harmony.
Hello People,I haven't posted recently. I have lived with the Nearost silver for two months on al my components, but I found my system sounded a bit choked. The silver foil on everyconductor did make my system very quiet and I also heard less distortion. But cymbals didn't decay very well.
I went back to Ramm Amadeus 5. Bigger soundbubble, less choking at the expanse of the ultimate black backdrop. But the decay of cymbals (and other sounds) is more natural.
The Neardost would be perfect for me if 1) the silver foil would be thinner 2) instead of 1 conductor of 16 awg, it would be like the Ramm 6 x 20 AWG silver plated OCC conductors. 3) the microfilament would be thicker around the conductor. (more seperation)
Still a good cable for the money, but the Ramm is better.
Edits: 05/11/23 05/11/23
Hello Judith,
There you're..., I was praying things were okay on your end, as one never knows how the weather might act in certain parts of the world, or even more importantly how one's health holds up?.
Once again, I urge you to try either the Grey Knight GK-6008Ag or Xangsane P-6008Ag ( once again this version color choice didn't do it for me ) yet I'll go on record once again in saying the GK-6008Ag power cord using your preferred method with a rhodium AC Male | copper IEC Female became so obviously better than any other silver plated copper PCs I've used prior | whereas I've also chosen to live with the Accuphase 40th Anniversary cord in place as it has become a reference of sort when it comes to pure copper used in said manner as it relates to a power cord, to say I remain impressed is an understatement.
Take care of you ( as the wife likes to put it ) and write home more often | as you've been missed.
I have experimented also with carbon and alu-shells. My 'conclusion' is simple. Combine a shielded cable with shielded connector. And also the weight is very important. I haven't heard a difference between carbon and alu, but with polycarbonate there was a tiny difference. (blacker background, more air around individual sounds). And the 'weight' made the bassdrum sound more pronounced. Microphonics must not be forgotten. The connectors are all fit tight in there sockets with some tape or rubber. No wobbling and I gained more basscontrol and focus.
I had 4 x C-004 IEC connectors with polycarbonate and changed them with some Audiocrast carbon shells. On the Schuko still happy with the alum VF512R form Viborg.
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