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In Reply to: RE: Why do you find the need to make $hit up? posted by E-Stat on December 18, 2024 at 13:15:56
Easy there. I serviced ARC equipment for local ARC dealer. I had to search through the net sometimes on solutions to the problems. ARC is known world wide and a lot of that equipment was exported.
Failed ARC big amps of the past are simply a dead weight in many instances. Too big to ship and too complicated to justify service cost.
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They do have a cost effective second life !!! =)
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But you can turn them into Non-Audio Research tube amps with sturdy build quality and good iron. Now , having 8 power tubes a channel in EU where energy prices skyrocketed is not as appealing as it once was.
these two statements are light years from being equivalent?
Broken ARC amps nobody can fix sell for scrap prices.
I had to search through the net sometimes on solutions to the problems.
Next whiny complainy comment:
Too big to ship and too complicated to justify service cost.
If you were to contact their service department, you would find that observation without merit.
With slightly deeper pockets than the average Joe.
Total cost of simplest repair in ARC service averages at $600. That would be insured shipping and replacement of a burned 20 cents resistor.
Service of SP3/ Sp6 preamp which necessitates re-cap clocks I think at around $2k. To service the huge monoblocks of the past you would have to pay a triple of market value of the amp but it would allow you to at least get rid of that weight. No such luck beyond USA.
I've been there.
stefanovitch
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01-11-2015 at 06:43pm
Audio Research recently had a lot of troubles with their service department.I told them that I owned previously top products designed by Bill Johnson. They had no longer spare parts for the M-300, D160-A, and Reference 600 ( yah the MK1) and they couldn't sell me spare parts.
Audio Research was bankrupt and was sold to the Fine Sounds Group. Bill Johnsons goal was always to keep parts available no matter when their amps were designed, but due to the fact Bill Johnson is no longer there and they were also in heay debut with the Fine Sounds Group Audio Research stopped selling spare parts mainly for equipment designed by Bill Johnson.
In clear words this means that any amp designed to 2006 -- there is no guarnatee of the availability of spare parts.
Audio Research is no longer the company they were years ago.'''
You can find plenty of such stories without much effort. I can't comment on private views of the poster but parts availability for old models is questionable and repair costs are astronomical. I had my elegy with D115MKII -fine amp but I'm done with attempts / D76 a which I basically rebuilt would cost over $3k to service in ARC. I was able to sell it for $1.6k . If I had spent $3k with ARC I'd be able to get $2k
PS. I'm getting the impression that both, You and Abe worked at executive level of insurance companies. Would that be so?
Neither Abe nor you are able to admit that you are not correct and acting in a semi childish way which seems to be actually well trained method of playing it down to a point of irrelevance. Quite nicely done actually.
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too funny!
Ten year old reference already indicates parts supply problems with older products. I could buy a pair of M300 for $800 with one of them having damaged PSU.
Theta Digital operations disappeared with all documentation and the leftover parts supply due to a bankruptcy process. There is NOTHING left of it.
Audio Research was close to that fate at times and it is not given it won't be soon enough again. I'd bet my money they won't survive another 10 years. If old references to painted parts origins are gone or misplaced in the process their former customers will be pretty much fucked in a case of troubles or the designs will have to be hacked.
The old amps power supply designs are marginal and rely on selected parts. If that part is no longer available the supply requires a re-design. A DIY may attempt it and make it Non Audio Research. For the Pro to do it and charge the customer for the work -sure but it costs $$$ and good luck finding the engineer willing to execute it.
Why do I even bother to discus things with people who can't tell transistor from resistor and are sending amps to ARC to change the tubes because they have no idea how to bias it?
Why do I even bother to discus things with people who can't tell transistor from resistor and are sending amps to ARC to change the tubes because they have no idea how to bias it?
I was building Dynakits more than fifty years ago. I learned about RN60D metal film types from Frank Van Alstine shortly afterwards. Smart people ask questions. Others choose to make $hit up and argue with their imagination.
Biasing the tubes on my VTL amps is pretty easy procedure using a VOM. If you were smarter, you'd already know that by clicking my moniker to follow system details/pics. ;)
I'm not interested in people's systems. You said it yourselves that you send your ARC stuff to Minnesota. By the level of your understanding of what I was saying to you I assumed what followed.
My resistor related comment was caused by Abe's reaction when I asked him about color codes on Fets in his VT 100 example. He explained to me the system of coding resistors.
I suggest you to tone it down because you sound unreasonable throughout the whole exchange. I'm infinitely more familiar with ARC than you are.
By the level of your understanding of what I was saying to you I assumed what followed.
With no attempt to embrace reality, you just make $hit up! Continually. Like a fool.
He explained to me the system of coding resistors.
Why do you continue to address *me* with things posted by other inmates? Is your memory that shot?
Pathetic.
Nothing unusual at this hour on Friday.
Have another one and forget about this conversation.
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