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RE: "I would not believe the level of sonic improvement" and you should not

Posted by thetubeguy1954 (A) on September 1, 2021 at 22:12:32

In Reply to: "I would not believe the level of sonic improvement" and you should not posted by Chip647 on August 28, 2021 at 17:36:17:

Hi Chip!

Truth be told I don't know diddly-squat about the technical side of audio, but I have no need to know about the technical side of audio! Why? Because after over 57 years of listening to music I have developed very well-trained ears. This all started on 2/9/64 after I heard The Beatles play on Ed Sullivan. Granted a transistor radio probably would have sounded better than what I heard over the TV that night, but I became a budding avid music lover/audiophile that night!

You cannot tell me that I'm getting zero benefits from that Amperex 5AR4 tube I installed that day because the sonic improvements are blatantly obvious to anyone who isn't hearing impaired. And PLEASE don't try the old "expectation bias" routine with me either because I had a Bendix 6106 tube in the DAC prior to installing the Amperex 5AR4 and I didn't expect or believe, there was a snowball's chance in hell the Amperex 5AR4 would be sonically superior to the Bendix 6106!

In addition, Chip if you go back and reread my original post you'll see I never said "I would not believe the level of sonic improvement" at all regarding the Amperex 5AR4 tube. I mentioned that others were telling me that "I would not believe the level of sonic improvement I would hear if I switched to using a high-quality Sophia Electric 274B in place of the Amperex 5AR4 tube."

I know many objectivists believe science can define the reason(s) behind everything we do or don't hear in audio, and when subjectivists claim they hear something that science either, cannot verify, or else science claims it shouldn't be as subjectivists claim they hear it. Then objectivists start mocking the subjectivists with claims of "snake oil when it comes to many audio products, or "expecation bias" when something like a new pair of interconnects or a tube is installed that the subjectivist claims makes a very significant sonic improvement!

But what all these objectivists seem to so quickly forgot --{sometimes I believe deliberately so}--are the words of one of the most intelligent and most highly respected objectivists of the 20th Century, i.e., Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein made a brilliant, objectivist, observation that almost all of the lesser intelligent objectivists --{in comparison to Dr. Einstein}-- seem to choose to ignore. His brilliant, almost blatantly obvious, observation was this; "Not everything that matters can be measured, and not everything that can be measured matters."

This is why I have such difficulty when objectivists in audio, more than every other hobby I've seen, so easily and so quickly, make such disparaging proclamations such as "snake oil and/or "expecation bias" when subjectivists make comments they don't agree with. How do these objectivists know there's not something that really matters but just cannot be measured using today's scientific methods? What "if" this thing that matters so much, could, in fact, be measured using tomorrow's scientific methods, and what if it then proved the subjectivist's proclamations to be absolutely 100% correct? To me, if there's even a chance that possibility even exists, how does one who proclaims to be objective mock those who claim to hear something just because it cannot be proven by today's scientific standards. That hardly seems very objective to me, --at all...

Thetubeguy1954 (Tom)

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Edits: 09/04/21

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