In Reply to: FYI. ive listen to both SACD and DVD-A extensively and so have most others in these forums... posted by NonA on August 26, 2004 at 04:56:24:
"lacks the perceived dynamics of properly done DVD-A"NonA,
I'm sorry but this honestly contradicts my experience. You seem to me to state rather matter of factly but the fact is that a large number of prominent engineers prefer DSD to PCM. In fact, the world is quite divided on this.
Furthermore to claim DSD is not high resolution is completely ridiculous. It is clearly capturing more data and revealing more musical information across the spectrum than Red Book CD and IMHO 24/96khz.
Even several prominent DVDA supporters will agree with me on this point.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Very bad news for SACD . ... CEO of Sony BMG , and president of Sony Music , love DualDisc , ... and so do the CEOs ... - ZS KEKL 23:01:05 08/24/04 (130)
- ZS Kekl or Teresa - Which is goofier? (Poll) - Craig Wilson 12:08:06 08/26/04 (8)
- You need to add a lot more names to your "poll" - racerguy 14:35:46 08/27/04 (2)
- Re: You need to add a lot more names to your "poll" - Bobo U2 17:11:15 08/28/04 (1)
- Re: You need to add a lot more names to your "poll" - racerguy 17:43:13 08/28/04 (0)
- duilawyer - lazarus28 12:21:21 08/27/04 (1)
- Tie - JustinPoss 10:52:15 08/27/04 (0)
- I vote for Teresa - Eric LeRouge 13:10:18 08/26/04 (2)
- don't you know that . . . - lazarus28 12:27:43 08/27/04 (1)
- Damn, you're right. That explains why I still have no response - Eric LeRouge 04:17:33 08/30/04 (0)
- October's a great launch date--the month when the dead become the undead! - jdaniel@jps.net 07:42:08 08/26/04 (0)
- Bawhahahahahhahahahaw - navman 13:50:31 08/25/04 (2)
- Be careful -- you are sounding perilously close to the edge yourself. {n.t.} - Martin419 14:50:17 08/25/04 (1)
- Yeah I probably do .... - navman 17:41:27 08/25/04 (0)
- Wow! Music + Video! A music video! - jdaniel@jps.net 07:53:42 08/25/04 (12)
- All young people--throw away your i-Pods now! - jdaniel@jps.net 08:09:27 08/25/04 (11)
- This is not your lucky day, I guess - Eric LeRouge 09:07:35 08/26/04 (0)
- Re: All young people--throw away your i-Pods now! - Martin419 08:39:50 08/25/04 (9)
- Re: All young people--throw away your i-Pods now! - jdaniel@jps.net 09:23:24 08/25/04 (8)
- Your beloved SACD struck out at the majors . DualDisc is going to hit lots of Home Runs . LOL ( nt ) - ZS KEKL 10:01:02 08/25/04 (0)
- Re: All young people--throw away your i-Pods now! - Martin419 09:50:27 08/25/04 (6)
- Re: All young people--throw away your i-Pods now! - jdaniel@jps.net 14:15:44 08/25/04 (0)
- "That’s because DVD offers more than CD." It sure does...they're called 'movies'. :-) - Methos 10:07:23 08/25/04 (4)
- The only shrinking category is CD (along with pure CD players) . . . - Martin419 10:28:43 08/25/04 (3)
- If someone truly wants 'the multimedia experience', then they'll buy the DVD-V/CD dual disc... - Methos 10:46:02 08/25/04 (2)
- But most music albums don't come as feature films . . . - Martin419 11:18:25 08/25/04 (1)
- Re: But most music albums don't come as feature films . . . - walter 05:35:03 08/26/04 (0)
- You've GOT to be kidding me... - hi-rez insider 07:19:48 08/25/04 (0)
- I bet you're enjoying sacd's slow death ;-) - NonA 06:27:31 08/25/04 (3)
- I think I'm enjoying it more than ZS - Jazz Inmate 10:49:17 08/25/04 (2)
- we're all frustrated because... - NonA 11:21:43 08/25/04 (1)
- "Perilous" and "fate".... - NonA 11:31:02 08/25/04 (0)
- Must be getting bad for Kekl - flyingdutchman 02:40:56 08/25/04 (0)
- SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Teresa 00:16:00 08/25/04 (97)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Neil Wilkes 08:26:11 08/25/04 (72)
- I discovered why you lie about SACD, you are a DVD-A Producer & Mix Engineer - Teresa 22:32:35 08/25/04 (14)
- Re: I discovered why you lie about SACD, you are a DVD-A Producer & Mix Engineer - Neil Wilkes 02:41:07 08/26/04 (13)
- wrong calculation - tunenut 09:24:44 08/26/04 (2)
- Re: wrong calculation - Neil Wilkes 09:52:31 08/26/04 (1)
- Re: wrong calculation - tunenut 10:45:04 08/26/04 (0)
- Re: I discovered why you lie about SACD, you are a DVD-A Producer & Mix Engineer - LiquidMidrange 07:31:30 08/26/04 (5)
- Re: I discovered why you lie about SACD, you are a DVD-A Producer & Mix Engineer - Martin419 09:08:45 08/26/04 (4)
- Re: I discovered why you lie about SACD, you are a DVD-A Producer & Mix Engineer - LiquidMidrange 09:11:39 08/26/04 (3)
- Right..the transient rise times in DSD filtering is 1/10 that of even 192khz.. - theaudiohiffle 12:13:16 08/26/04 (2)
- Nonsense.. - Frank.. 16:03:26 08/26/04 (1)
- Not quite nonsense... - theaudiohiffle 18:03:26 08/26/04 (0)
- Those are not the facts but terrible distortions which can easily be proven false - Teresa 02:57:44 08/26/04 (3)
- Re: Those are not the facts but terrible distortions which can easily be proven false - Neil Wilkes 05:43:29 08/26/04 (2)
- Re: Those are not the facts but terrible distortions which can easily be proven false - LiquidMidrange 13:39:42 08/26/04 (1)
- Re: Those are not the facts but terrible distortions which can easily be proven false - Neil Wilkes 15:53:34 08/26/04 (0)
- SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, and it doesn't need a hat, cocked of otherwise - Teresa 22:21:43 08/25/04 (1)
- 32/40/64 bit - RBP 10:29:45 08/26/04 (0)
- "Which knocks SACD into a cocked hat." - Methos 10:15:29 08/25/04 (54)
- Re: "Which knocks SACD into a cocked hat." - Neil Wilkes 10:52:22 08/25/04 (53)
- Total bald-faced out right lies: I have owned both DVD-Audio and SACD. - Teresa 22:16:02 08/25/04 (19)
- Engineer Elliot Mazer says " I love the sound of DVD-A at 192/24 . Nothing sounds as good as that " . Mazer has ... - ZS KEKL 22:51:02 08/25/04 (18)
- Does DVD-A even offer a high-rez 2 channel layer? - jdaniel@jps.net 07:31:37 08/26/04 (1)
- DVD-A can - John Kotches 10:38:49 08/26/04 (0)
- The funy part is Mazer's quote does not say what you claim it says. - Duilawyer 06:32:32 08/26/04 (1)
- You are wrong . Mazer was asked to compare DVD-A vs. SACD . If you click on the link to Mazer's comments ... - ZS KEKL 09:41:25 08/26/04 (0)
- those are all commercial ROCK recordings I trust the ears of engineers that actually make realistic sounding recordings - Teresa 23:32:05 08/25/04 (13)
- Re: " Why did the labels choose SACD ? " . John Eargle says " Sony was generous " . It was nothing about the sound ... - ZS KEKL 00:25:54 08/26/04 (12)
- John Eargle still records all his projects DSD even though Sony's technical assistance & equipment loans ended 2 years - Teresa 02:40:36 08/26/04 (11)
- But probably just because he's used to it, - head_unit 15:20:21 09/18/04 (0)
- Blu-ray ? - RBP 10:39:25 08/26/04 (9)
- Can you post more details about those independent DVD-As? - Eric LeRouge 11:20:51 08/26/04 (8)
- Got it, thanks! -t- - RBP 12:52:25 08/26/04 (0)
- Eric, did you get my mail? Something bounced.. - RBP 12:44:28 08/26/04 (1)
- Yes I did, both messages, thanks - Eric LeRouge 12:49:51 08/26/04 (0)
- RE: - RBP 11:27:51 08/26/04 (4)
- Yep -- if there was a way to order them from a single source, we'd be interested to know . . . - Martin419 11:48:39 08/26/04 (2)
- Re: Yep -- if there was a way to order them from a single source, we'd be interested to know . . . - RBP 12:00:08 08/26/04 (1)
- OK. e-mail sent. {n.t.} - Martin419 12:32:30 08/26/04 (0)
- Re: RE: - Eric LeRouge 11:45:18 08/26/04 (0)
- weve been telling SACD fanatics about these documented limitations for a while... - NonA 11:25:20 08/25/04 (30)
- Not so fast. - Craig Wilson 13:53:29 08/25/04 (7)
- Re: Not so fast. - LiquidMidrange 09:14:23 08/26/04 (0)
- FYI. ive listen to both SACD and DVD-A extensively and so have most others in these forums... - NonA 04:56:24 08/26/04 (5)
- Re: FYI. ive listen to both SACD and DVD-A extensively and so have most others in these forums... - LiquidMidrange 10:55:29 08/26/04 (4)
- isn't this something??! - NonA 11:44:42 08/26/04 (3)
- Re: isn't this something??! - LiquidMidrange 11:58:10 08/26/04 (2)
- Re: isn't this something??! - NonA 12:11:32 08/26/04 (1)
- Re: isn't this something??! - LiquidMidrange 12:56:30 08/26/04 (0)
- Re: weve been telling SACD fanatics about these documented limitations for a while... - Neil Wilkes 11:31:48 08/25/04 (21)
- Re: weve been telling SACD fanatics about these documented limitations for a while... - LiquidMidrange 11:59:54 08/26/04 (0)
- My theory... - NonA 11:48:02 08/25/04 (19)
- You just keep on rationalizing your choice of DVD-A, maybe you can convince yourself it's better. :-) nt - Methos 12:03:50 08/25/04 (18)
- Re: You just keep on rationalizing your choice of DVD-A, maybe you can convince yourself it's better. :-) nt - LiquidMidrange 09:16:44 08/26/04 (7)
- the problem is that the "simpler recording chain" is more marketing hype than reality ... - Christine Tham 15:21:49 08/27/04 (6)
- Re: the problem is that the "simpler recording chain" is more marketing hype than reality ... - Martin419 02:02:04 08/31/04 (5)
- Re: the problem is that the "simpler recording chain" is more marketing hype than reality ... - Christine Tham 05:34:08 08/31/04 (4)
- Re: the problem is that the "simpler recording chain" is more marketing hype than reality ... - Martin419 05:54:39 08/31/04 (3)
- Re: the problem is that the "simpler recording chain" is more marketing hype than reality ... - Christine Tham 13:50:24 08/31/04 (2)
- Re: the problem is that the "simpler recording chain" is more marketing hype than reality ... - Martin419 08:19:48 09/01/04 (1)
- Re: the problem is that the "simpler recording chain" is more marketing hype than reality ... - Christine Tham 04:45:32 09/02/04 (0)
- Hey Methos, id be curious to know what is you favorite DVD-A sonically and contentwise?? nt - NonA 04:59:38 08/26/04 (9)
- For content, I like the R.E.M. albums, any of them. for SQ, I was impressed by my friends Teldec St. Matthew Passion. - Methos 10:00:37 08/26/04 (8)
- thanks, dont have either of those not much of REM fan and ill check St. Matthew Passion. nt - NonA 13:26:29 08/26/04 (7)
- Matthaus Passion is a must-have title - Eric LeRouge 13:36:41 08/26/04 (6)
- I agree - superb - Christine Tham 15:14:46 08/27/04 (0)
- if only i could find where to buy it...i looked... - NonA 15:25:06 08/26/04 (4)
- Here . . . - Martin419 15:53:07 08/26/04 (3)
- Bought it. thanks. nt - NonA 16:13:00 08/26/04 (2)
- Let us know what you think when you get it - Eric LeRouge 07:12:40 08/27/04 (1)
- I sure will. DVD-A titles take a while to get here I had 2 i wanted to review: - NonA 08:09:40 08/27/04 (0)
- information theory - tunenut 11:23:22 08/25/04 (1)
- Yes, he pulled a naive calculation out of his hat...despite the fact it bears no relation to the actual format. nt - Methos 11:39:57 08/25/04 (0)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - dusted 05:56:55 08/25/04 (23)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - gw 10:19:42 08/25/04 (22)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Neil Wilkes 11:36:05 08/25/04 (21)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - gw 13:31:43 08/25/04 (20)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Neil Wilkes 13:45:31 08/25/04 (19)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - LiquidMidrange 09:20:55 08/26/04 (15)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Neil Wilkes 09:32:45 08/26/04 (14)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Martin419 12:26:38 08/26/04 (11)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Neil Wilkes 12:39:43 08/26/04 (10)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Neil Wilkes 17:58:11 08/26/04 (9)
- Note . . . - Martin419 04:54:50 08/27/04 (1)
- Re: Note . . . - Neil Wilkes 05:03:33 08/27/04 (0)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - LiquidMidrange 18:32:38 08/26/04 (6)
- Ho yes, - Frank.. 04:19:21 08/27/04 (2)
- Re: Ho yes, - LiquidMidrange 14:57:43 08/28/04 (1)
- Re: Ho yes, - Frank.. 04:26:39 08/30/04 (0)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Neil Wilkes 01:46:57 08/27/04 (2)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - LiquidMidrange 14:59:56 08/28/04 (1)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - John Kotches 10:10:14 08/30/04 (0)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - LiquidMidrange 12:14:49 08/26/04 (1)
- DualDisc is an interrim format. - Frank.. 16:36:21 08/26/04 (1)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - Martin419 15:38:41 08/25/04 (0)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - gw 15:19:23 08/25/04 (1)
- Re: SACD is the High Resolution Audio format, DualDisc is a VIDEO format, Mr. DVD-A Cheerleader re-read Sony's quote: - simon wagstaff 09:58:07 08/26/04 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: FYI. ive listen to both SACD and DVD-A extensively and so have most others in these forums... - LiquidMidrange 10:55:29 08/26/04 (4)
- isn't this something??! - NonA 11:44:42 08/26/04 (3)
- Re: isn't this something??! - LiquidMidrange 11:58:10 08/26/04 (2)
- Re: isn't this something??! - NonA 12:11:32 08/26/04 (1)
- Re: isn't this something??! - LiquidMidrange 12:56:30 08/26/04 (0)