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In Reply to: RE: don't gamble posted by bob24 on October 06, 2024 at 05:25:51
Stort wrote, "...buying anything used. You will most likely regret it"
I respectfully beg to differ. I have bought many used components including my present Pass Labs XP 17 phonostage, and results have been uniformly good.
I dream of an America where a chicken can cross the road without having it's motives questioned.
Follow Ups:
75% of my 45 year audio journey was done via used gear. I haven't been burned yet.
All it takes it a bit of common sense and research.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
it's only safe when you know the person and condition. The older the piece, the greater the risk of parts needing replacement, especially capacitors. Relax, it's a philosophy I've used for many years.
So choose wisely, and advice like that is hard to give without knowing all the details and facts on a used piece
Buying a new one w/warranty is much safer and simpler - got it? It will save the buyer time etc. The advice on the Sota is a good example for plug and play right away
I bought a Threshold FET ten/pc phono preamp from Oakroot. It was a great deal and sounds great!
But that was over 20 years ago and it was much older when I bought it. I hadn't used it for a while and when I did, it was definitely broken. I pulled it out and started to open it up and I heard a lot of rattling. Most of the old small caps had disintegrated and little pieces were all over inside.
Luckily, I found a old Threshold tech and it's still great and should last long enough for my lifetime.
Old classics will require maintenance.
-Rod
"it's only safe when you know the person and condition. The older the piece, the greater the risk of parts needing replacement, especially capacitors."
It's simply foolish for anyone who isn't wealthy to own tube gear without knowing how to maintain it at the component level. This is niche technology that requires knowledgeable ownership, much like owning a classic antique car. You either learn how to maintain it yourself or pay through the nose for services of a specialist. The $1000 budget mentioned earlier tells us that, regardless of the age of the piece, new or used, the OP should either learn to work with it or stay with SS gear. I also believe there's little or no benefit to this technology if it will be used to drive a SS amplifier.
I thought it was rather obvious he didn't have much experience
"I have a Technics SL-1500 C turntable which has a built-in phono stage"
so learning tube electronics would not put him in the driver seat quickly. That's why I and others suggested plug and play alternative to a better rig than he posted.
(To the OP bob24, you can come back here anytime for other opinions and learned advice, and if you would like learning tube electronics and how to replace parts seek Triode K and others on the Tube DIY Asylum but be prepared for a long ride)
I would venture to say that thousands of members here and the various other forums (DIY Audio, Audio Karma, etc) have learned how to maintain their own tube gear, and for the most it wasn't a "long ride." There's a huge following for nearly every vintage model, and the amount of online expertise and instruction available is truly staggering now. I'll just add that Chinese garbage is often the only alternative in these lower budget ranges, and that sometimes requires more maintenance than a used legacy piece and often doesn't perform correctly even when new. I might not have suggested this approach if the OP was searching for something more complex, but a used, good quality phono preamp is a piece of cake to maintain and even to upgrade. I've been in audio and electronics generally since the late '60s, so my advice is based on many years of watching professionals and amateurs alike work with tubes. Given all the resources available on the Internet and at the various specialist suppliers, just about anyone can deal with this technology.
gosh, you are insistent but so am I.
I agree on your points for those experienced at this, but buying a PAS 3 'used' means quite a task for a novice or newbie bob24 or anybody else. I have a PAS3 and it works and I use it, so I know it well.
Just the circuit traces will give anyone who has considerable soldering experience a very hard time. Anyone who has never used a soldering iron will pull his hair out. Applying heat to those joints will loosen the traces that adhere to the board and most likely destroy them.
And then repairs to those will be necessary, a considerable task for ANYONE with no or little experience let alone a person with experience. Why a person should pursue your way when a new phono at 300+ bucks and ready to play should approach your suggestion that 'appears to have no experience'.
I still fail to see the big why (but not including the sound alone of the RIAA section of the Hafler design)
I'll let my suggestion and others stand, and we will have to see what bob24 says he does if he responds
Hi Story,
Thank you for your message. I would love to get more involved in the hobby but due to random fatigue from leukemia treatment,I need a phono pre which requires little to no tweaking as I don't always have the energy to focus. Just simple, mundane chores around the house can really wipe me out!
Again, I appreciate your contribution and all of the other members kind help.
Bob
the Vinyl Asylum has great people here to share all kinds of talk.
And a special salute to your courage. be well!
Thanks!
Sorry to hear about your health issues, and I completely understand. Good luck in your search!
Thank you 🙏
Most people involved in audio are very honest.
it's been excellent, I'd give it an A.
I have over a thousand transactions buying and selling on Ebay and that has proven otherwise.
There's always an otherwise B, caveat emptor
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