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In Reply to: RE: Those are definitely not the "right" places ;). -nt posted by E-Stat on September 06, 2024 at 07:25:24
I know that subjectivists are not fond of ASR and similar sites, but are you suggesting the don't even measure correctly? Given they use the Klippel for measurement which is highly regarded, I don't think there is a lot of dispute about their measurements even if you disagree with whatever comments they make about the relationship of the numbers to perceived sound quality.
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are those who actually include *listening* in reviews to try to correlate measurements with what we hear.
I find information devoid of knowledge useless.
Erin listens before measuring. He just doesn't use typical audiophile language to describe what he hears. Amir also gives subjective impressions, usually just whether he likes the sound. I don't find the typical subjective review any more useful. I do find the data and plots very informative about the performance of a speaker, and it cuts through a lot of BS.
Amir also gives subjective impressions...they are exceptionally shallow as to be useless.
Not sure what your profile link is supposed to tell us.
Edits: 09/09/24
Yes, that's why I called it "impressions". Either Amir likes it or he doesn't. However, these days I pretty much ignore anyone who only has subjective opinions to offer. Often the value is negative.
music?
an on-going 46 page thread titled "Artists You Have Discovered Lately" started by Amir in the "Music Reviews and Discussion" section of his forum. I've seen him mention many artists he likes a number of times in various different threads. So it seems he does listen to music here and there.
Here and there? ;)
He suffers a disconnect between music and the audio gear intended to reproduce it!
I'm not in the group that requires everyone to appreciate and enjoy only the same things I do and in the same manner. Plenty of room in this world for all kinds of opinions.
But Amir's approach is like reviewing a car without driving it!
> > But Amir's approach is like reviewing a car without driving it!
That looks like an opinion to me.
Just my opinion....
;-)
even if you "prefer" more or different subjective comments, useful information is still present.
they ever reviewed something of interest.
A proper measurement can show what a loudspeaker does, what that sounds like is tenuously but still connected. If you want to know where / what directions all the sound goes at every frequency, the Klipple NFS is a great tool.
Part of the reason measurements are rejected by some is that engineering measurements don't look as nice as marketing curves and compared to measurements of modern electronics, most speakers appear to be broken by comparison.
A profound difference between measurements and hearing is that we normally measure from one point in space while our hearing reality is a 3d presentation that our ears and brain construct based on just two inputs.
The late Richard Heyser (a brilliant guy) spent the last part of his life trying to map the connection between what it measures like and what that measurement issue sounds like.
Complicated but really interesting stuff, like how we can hear the height of a source.
Here is an older video that was made for the recording area where we supply loudspeakers that goes into some of this, but how we hear applies in the home as well.
Hope this makes sense
https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/questions-with-tom-how-do-we-hear/
Tom
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