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Looking in the right places?

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Feanor

In Reply to: RE: Why don't we see more these directivity plots? posted by E-Stat on September 05, 2024 at 08:16:01

A couple of reviewers who show them regularly are:

= Audio Science Review

= Erin's Audio Corner

Perhaps there ought to be more, of course.

Dmitri Shostakovich

Follow Ups:

RE: Looking in the right places? - Daverz 17:52:49 09/06/24 (1)
They are not of the body. Landru has spoken.
- I have not been - E-Stat 07:35:23 09/07/24 (0)
  absorbed.
Those are definitely not the "right" places ;). -nt - E-Stat 07:25:24 09/06/24 (14)
- Question - mlsstl 17:24:24 09/06/24 (13)
  I know that subjectivists are not fond of ASR and similar sites, but are you suggesting the don't even measure correctly? Given they use the Klippel for measurement which is highly regarded, I don't think there is a lot of dispute about their measurements even if you disagree with whatever comments they make about the relationship of the numbers to perceived sound quality.
  - What I prefer - E-Stat 07:31:22 09/07/24 (11)
    are those who actually include *listening* in reviews to try to correlate measurements with what we hear.
    
    I find information devoid of knowledge useless.
    - RE: What I prefer - Daverz 12:15:15 09/09/24 (8)
      Erin listens before measuring. He just doesn't use typical audiophile language to describe what he hears. Amir also gives subjective impressions, usually just whether he likes the sound. I don't find the typical subjective review any more useful. I do find the data and plots very informative about the performance of a speaker, and it cuts through a lot of BS.
      - But - E-Stat 12:20:32 09/09/24 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: What I prefer posted by Daverz on September 09, 2024 at 12:15:15
        
        Amir also gives subjective impressions...
        they are exceptionally shallow as to be useless.
        Not sure what your profile link is supposed to tell us.
        
        Edits: 09/09/24
        
        RE: But - Daverz 13:06:14 09/11/24 (6)
        
        In Reply to: RE: But posted by E-Stat on September 09, 2024 at 12:20:32
        
        Yes, that's why I called it "impressions". Either Amir likes it or he doesn't. However, these days I pretty much ignore anyone who only has subjective opinions to offer. Often the value is negative.
        
        Note that he never mentions... - E-Stat 13:07:45 09/11/24 (5)
        
        In Reply to: RE: But posted by Daverz on September 11, 2024 at 13:06:14
        
        music?
        
        I had no trouble finding... - mlsstl 18:44:22 09/11/24 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Note that he never mentions... posted by E-Stat on September 11, 2024 at 13:07:45
        
        an on-going 46 page thread titled "Artists You Have Discovered Lately" started by Amir in the "Music Reviews and Discussion" section of his forum. I've seen him mention many artists he likes a number of times in various different threads. So it seems he does listen to music here and there.
        
        "So it seems he does listen to music here and there. " - E-Stat 05:17:38 09/12/24 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I had no trouble finding... posted by mlsstl on September 11, 2024 at 18:44:22
        
        Here and there? ;)
        
        He suffers a disconnect between music and the audio gear intended to reproduce it!
        
        Disconnect of music and gear - mlsstl 06:55:43 09/12/24 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: "So it seems he does listen to music here and there. " posted by E-Stat on September 12, 2024 at 05:17:38
        
        I'm not in the group that requires everyone to appreciate and enjoy only the same things I do and in the same manner. Plenty of room in this world for all kinds of opinions.
        
        Different opinons, yes - E-Stat 06:56:43 09/12/24 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Disconnect of music and gear posted by mlsstl on September 12, 2024 at 06:55:43
        
        But Amir's approach is like reviewing a car without driving it!
        
        RE: Different opinons, yes - mlsstl 09:34:29 09/12/24 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Different opinons, yes posted by E-Stat on September 12, 2024 at 06:56:43
        
        > > But Amir's approach is like reviewing a car without driving it!
        
        That looks like an opinion to me.
        
        Just my opinion....
        
        ;-)
    - However... - mlsstl 10:20:38 09/07/24 (1)
      even if you "prefer" more or different subjective comments, useful information is still present.
      - That might be true for me if - E-Stat 11:40:52 09/08/24 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: However... posted by mlsstl on September 07, 2024 at 10:20:38
        
        they ever reviewed something of interest.
  - RE: Question - tomservo 05:56:11 09/07/24 (0)
    A proper measurement can show what a loudspeaker does, what that sounds like is tenuously but still connected. If you want to know where / what directions all the sound goes at every frequency, the Klipple NFS is a great tool.
    
    Part of the reason measurements are rejected by some is that engineering measurements don't look as nice as marketing curves and compared to measurements of modern electronics, most speakers appear to be broken by comparison.
    
    A profound difference between measurements and hearing is that we normally measure from one point in space while our hearing reality is a 3d presentation that our ears and brain construct based on just two inputs.
    
    The late Richard Heyser (a brilliant guy) spent the last part of his life trying to map the connection between what it measures like and what that measurement issue sounds like.
    Complicated but really interesting stuff, like how we can hear the height of a source.
    
    Here is an older video that was made for the recording area where we supply loudspeakers that goes into some of this, but how we hear applies in the home as well.
    Hope this makes sense
    
    https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/questions-with-tom-how-do-we-hear/
    
    Tom
    - How we hear (Open in New Window)

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