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Paully

In Reply to: RE: Got the Choruses posted by desert dweller on August 20, 2007 at 14:20:51

You can always think about replacing the capacitors in the crossover.

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RE: Enjoy and just to be a pain - desert dweller 09:15:54 08/21/07 (13)
Paully, that sounds like a good idea. How difficult is it to get access to them? How many are there? Is there a consensus on what to use for replacements?

Thanks,

Sue
- If you want to get anal about them - Russ57 09:47:55 08/21/07 (12)
  Look around on the net for info from Lynn Olsen and Gary about mods. IIRC they did quite a bit of stuff from crossover to different drivers. Too bad it isn't all in one place but it should give you some good ideas.
  
  But for now I'd just get them set up and establish a baseline. Better to move forward once you know what you want to change about them and that is a personal thing.
  
  If you are new to horns, chances are you are going to feel like they are a bit too much "in your face" at first. If you feel so trying toeing them in more than normal so that a line from each tweeter would cross in front of your listening place. If the bass is too "boomy" give them another foot or two from the back/side walls.
  
  Russ
  - RE: If you want to get anal about them - desert dweller 11:03:58 08/21/07 (11)
    Hey Russ, thanks for the info. Actually they sound pretty good or maybe even a little recessed. I'm using a Fisher 400 receiver. It will be interesting to see how they compare when I put the Spendors back in a couple weeks.
    
    Sue
    - A little recessed....I'll be darned - Russ57 12:07:02 08/21/07 (10)
      Somehow I am surprised. I guess I just assumed the spendors were on the warm/easy to listen to side. I know the fisher is a little warm/phat.
      
      Maybe just maybe new caps are in order?? But do give them a little time and compare. It should prove interesting. IMHO it is far better that you find them recessed than too aggressive.
      
      I have my eyes on a pair of quad 57's...local pickup only:) Wish me luck! No way I can afford them unless they slip under the radar.
      
      Russ
      - I plan on recapping mine - Paully 13:37:20 08/21/07 (9)
        
        In Reply to: RE: A little recessed....I'll be darned posted by Russ57 on August 21, 2007 at 12:07:02
        
        But just like Russ says I won't do it until I have a baseline. I have a pair of Chorus II. I have no idea where the caps are on the Chorus I and haven't even looked on mine yet though I have a general idea where to start. Head over to the forums on Klipsch.com and do a search and see what pops up. Failing that ask, and of course like Tom Brennan says, there might be a sales pitch when you do (there are some guys over there who sell after market crossovers which actually are really good from what little I can tell having heard some in the K-horn briefly. Having never heard a stock K-horn I can only surmise). But if you are going to DIY they will give you the information you need. The general opinion is that new caps help, whether they actually do or not I won't say not having done it yet myself.
        
        Initial impressions - desert dweller 18:05:42 08/21/07 (8)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I plan on recapping mine posted by Paully on August 21, 2007 at 13:37:20
        
        I don't find the Choruses to be obnoxious in the least, maybe because I'm using all tubes. These speakers are so revealing that I can hear more detail, more realistic timbre and more separation between instruments, without any brightness. At other times everything sounds the same or too thin and bright. So either my hearing is going from listening to too much loud rock music in my youth, or the Spendors aren't as laid back as they're rumored to be.
        
        Actually, I think it has more to do with the varying quality of recordings, many of which simply stink. I guess there's also the possibility that new caps are in order but I do plan to wait until I've had plenty of time to listen and compare them to the Spendors.
        
        I posted some pics over on the Klipsch forum.
        
        http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/954963.aspx
        
        Sue
        
        RE: caps do go resistive after a few decades - LousyTourist 13:38:16 08/22/07 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Initial impressions posted by desert dweller on August 21, 2007 at 18:05:42
        
        it doesn't hurt to replace them, but (IMHO) don't let the guys on the Klipsch BB talk you into a new fangled crossover .... just replace the caps, or have Bob Crites build you a fresh identical crossover with replacement parts.
        
        I got his type A crossover for my klipschorns and it breathed new life into an already intoxicating speaker.
        
        The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
        Bertrand Russell
        
        RE: caps do go resistive after a few decades - multistate1@hotmail.com 08:50:00 08/23/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: caps do go resistive after a few decades posted by LousyTourist on August 22, 2007 at 13:38:16
        
        Just to clarify, while different aftermarket crossover designs are available for some of the larger Heritage (e.g. Khorns, LaScalas, Belles), I am not aware of any new fangled crossovers (a change in the circuit design) that the three regulars who offer crossover services over at the Klipsch forum (or the one individual who no longer posts there) have made available to Chorus owners. That being said, you can find suggestions regarding upgrading the quality of the existing parts such as caps if that is of interest to the new Chorus owner.
        
        Edits: 08/23/07
        
        RE: caps do go resistive after a few decades - desert dweller 10:37:05 08/25/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: caps do go resistive after a few decades posted by multistate1@hotmail.com on August 23, 2007 at 08:50:00
        
        multistate1, thanks for the info. I guess I'll start with the caps since that's rumored to have a big effect.
        
        Sue
        
        Could that make them sound recessed? - desert dweller 14:00:15 08/22/07 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: caps do go resistive after a few decades posted by LousyTourist on August 22, 2007 at 13:38:16
        
        I think I'm going to have the caps replaced after I get a handle on the sound.
        
        Thanks,
        
        Sue
        
        RE: Could that make them sound recessed? - LousyTourist 14:44:15 08/22/07 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Could that make them sound recessed? posted by desert dweller on August 22, 2007 at 14:00:15
        
        yup, resistance lowers the available electrical energy that reaches the drivers.
        
        The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
        Bertrand Russell
        
        RE: Could that make them sound recessed? - desert dweller 19:28:12 08/22/07 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Could that make them sound recessed? posted by LousyTourist on August 22, 2007 at 14:44:15
        
        Sounds like new caps will be in order eventually.
        
        thanks for your help.
        
        Sue
        
        RE: not to be a wet blanket, but check the tweeters - LousyTourist 05:37:53 08/23/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Could that make them sound recessed? posted by desert dweller on August 22, 2007 at 19:28:12
        
        a common issue with the older klipsch speakers is the high watt monster amp power blips that blow the tweeter diaphragm. It can be fixed, even by a moderately technical person, so all is not lost if they don't produce sound.
        
        Cover the midrange with your hands and put your ear up to the tweeter while playing music. Quick test.
        
        The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
        Bertrand Russell
        
        RE: not to be a wet blanket, but check the tweeters - desert dweller 11:32:24 08/23/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: not to be a wet blanket, but check the tweeters posted by LousyTourist on August 23, 2007 at 05:37:53
        
        Tourist, thanks for the tip. I tried it and the tweeters are working but I have no baseline to compare the sound to. I have Stereophile's Test CD 2 and an SPL meter so later I'll see if I can figure out what to do with some test tones.
        
        Also, the more I listen, the less recessed they seem. The soundstage seems deeper than the Spendors and makes the front wall disappear so maybe that was what I was hearing. Plus, some of the first CDs I put on were particularly poorly recorded. And then there's the caps, so I have lots of options.
        
        Thanks,
        
        Sue

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