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In Reply to: RE: Dedicated Power Line Advice posted by Macncheez on September 11, 2024 at 08:48:48
I've had something like this done before.I went a small step further and contacted my electrical company to install a seperate 220v line to my house. It cost me around $600US, from there I had an electrician install a new breaker box for the 220v line and move the lines that feed my room to the new service.
Just your normal circuit breaker box and your normal 220v line coming into the home. The total cost for both was less than $2k, which is cheap in
'Audiophile' terms. Later I added Balanced power transformers 'Pro' versions NOT Audiophile versions...FYI Pro versions are the same as Audiophile except the fairy dust. I was okay with that.
So for about $2.5k I got the total power supply upgrade from the pole to my gear.BTW, this was more than a decade ago so costs may vary.
J.
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Jotaro said:
"I went a small step further and contacted my electrical company to install a seperate 220v line to my house. It cost me around $600US, from there I had an electrician install a new breaker box for the 220v line and move the lines that feed my room to the new service.:
Not possible in the USA to feed Audio equipment.
"Not possible in the USA to feed Audio equipment."
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Really well in Southfield Mich, USA it was possible in the 90's and apparently still is possible.As far as feeding Audio equipment, well its a plug on the wall, they won't ask or care what you plug into it with...
https://www.dteenergy.com/us/en/quicklinks/builders/builders-electric/electric-service.htmlNew Meter, New Service, New Install.
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Make sure to call us early in the planning stages so we can assess your needs and determine costs. For some customers, we may need to extend higher voltage power lines, which requires additional time.
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During the consultation process, our representative will discuss how you can reduce costs by digging your own trench.
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There is a whole forum [Michigan Sportsman] with threads of people in MI talking about getting new service installed. I think they would also be surprised to learn its not possible.
https://www.michigan-sportsman.com/threads/consumers-energy-cost-to-run-new-service.715333/
J.
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I misunderstood what you posted in your previous post.You said:
"I went a small step further and contacted my electrical company to install a separate 220v line to my house. It cost me around $600US, from there I had an electrician install a new breaker box for the 220v line and move the lines that feed my room to the new service."to the new service.
I took it you had a second, dedicated, electrical service installed at your home for your audio equipment. Therein two electrical services at your house.
I looked at your profile and it says you live in Japan. Thus my response "Not possible in the USA to feed Audio equipment". Japan may allow more that one service to a house...
Here is what I based my response on in my previous post.
2020 NEC ARTICLE 230 Services (Same for the 1990 NEC code).2020 NEC
230.2 Number of Services. A building or other structure served shall be supplied by only one service unless permitted in 230.2(A) through D.Nothing in 230(A) through D would warrant an additional electrical service.
FWIW the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) in your State, County, or City has the Final say. BUT with that said IF the Utility Power Company strictly follows the NEC they can refuse a hook up for a second electrical service on the building,.. house in this case.
My apologizes...
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I did have two electrical services at my house...this was in the 90's. However it appears that at least in Michigan having more than one service is still allowed. Either way, you will have to contact your local electrical municipality to inquire about having an additional line.My home actually had TWO meters. In Michigan it was no problem, many many people had two lines to their property, especially up North where people had barns with power equipment and such. I was hardly an oddity.
BTW, yes I'm in Japan now, I have no idea if they allow two services here or not, but I don't need it.
J.
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@ Jotaro, thanks for sharing.NEC authority/enforcement comes from the States governing bodies that pass Laws and Ordinances. They can adopt all or part of NEC. Delete what they don't like and add or rewrite what they want.
I looked up what appears to be the Michigan Electrical Code. Appears? The State can amend, delete, the NEC and write their own code. The State may allow cities to amend the code with the State's permission.
Here is what I found for the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code.
Quote:
" The Michigan Electrical Code 2023 is based on the NFPA 70, 2023 with amendments and additions. " And there it is...
https://up.codes/viewer/michigan/nfpa-70-2023/chapter/2/wiring-and-protection#230Jim
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Thanks for going through all the trouble Jim.You put quality effort into making your point, presenting documents and the like. However, I think this has gone on a tangent having dialog as to the validity of past events.
As for me, its water under the bridge, events that happened decades in the past and are not likely to repeat. This is to say, my interests in this subject are limited to presenting options to the OP not defending past events or possible future events that I'll take no part in.
What the OP should take from this dialog is, a possibility exists to resolve an issue, if pursued time and effort will need to be spent contacting their local municipality to explore the option.
J.
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