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In Reply to: RE: Tangram Le' Journey Continues... posted by el34eh@yahoo.com on March 06, 2024 at 12:35:59
A silver plated iec, and try first in the most inconspicuous place, from the wall into the puritan conditioner, leave in for a couple of hours at least and let's hear from you there !
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O'kay then.It's time to share my findings on using a silver plated copper iec plug connected into the inlet on my Puritan Audio Labs PSM-136 PLC as requested by Tangram, and awaiting 3 hours for it to settle in while I was busy adding once again more music files on the MacBook Air, while chilling in our bedroom for a change, whicb is a first for me, as it's generally kept in the living room.
Yet as I laid down to listen around 3:07PM, from the very first note is was as if everything had become tidier | like the artist were in fact standing side by side or in a semicircular location shoulder to shoulder if you'll, as if they were getting ready for a rehearsal of sort, but when the vocalist or instruments came in, if was if the extra sense of spacing was more expanded beyond the outermost corners of the speakers cabinets | could be both heard and felt as if they had made the way to the rear wall of our living room and walking about in real time..., while I've long known many here | as well as other audio forums have always been fond of using either gold | rhodium or raw copper primarily on the IEC female side of their cords as means of sound tuning their respective systems, yet it wasn't until I actually exchanged emails with three companies which make power plugs means as audiophile graded wares, where I was told that several of them actually preferred the sound of silver plated copper connectors, and also while doing more research into said matter, came across quite a few consumers offering reviews on said plating type on several overseas audio parts ( accessory ) type shops, where at least 5 of them had written they felt the consumers had bought into the whole concept behind rhodium plated plugs, yet never really took the time to compare them against anything else, especially as gold plated plugs started being criticized for lacking speed | detailing and rolling off the highs, which caused me many times in the past to buy and sell them off without even giving them a spin, until last month that is.
As my aging hearing allows, I know that in my system, based upon how I tend to focus on things which reside within the music itself, like truth of timbre | tonality | neutrality | pitch are all important factors to me, which I simply refuse to live without.
So when I'm able to hear further into the recordings and pick upon little hidden nuances or underpinning passages of which I hadn't heard before..., it's then that I begin to pay attention to how often we've all been mislead on the importance of voicing our systems by ear, as if one really needs to go out and buy themselves a new audiophile approved, forget that shit about WAF, which I'll never buy into, I just don't believe in asking for permission to do shit with the money I've earned, as home is priority, yet after that, dammit if I can't treat myself to something, happy wife, happy life my ass, we both have to be happy, life in itself is compromised enough, why settle?, my method is " there's the door, next ". My usual rant as expected, otherwise it just wouldn't be me, would it?.
Back on point now, the type of presentation I'm currently hearing has in fact eluded me for my entire 45 years of being a music lover first type of audiophile, as my love grew from trying to better assemble a system which allowed for a more intimate playback experience from my music collection from day zero, and having over the course of the last two years, my main system has been downsized from what was essentially a $25.000 system, down to one which cost $8.000 including source | integrated amp | speakers | cabling loom | isolation footers and platforms | stands ( both audio | speakers ) and guess what?, via synergistically having matched each component as opposed to just randomly wasting funds on other than some expensive to me, $5700 integrated amps | $5000 little Italian speakers just didn't hold my attention for more than 2-4 hours at a time, whereas I'm able to unknowingly look up, and have spent 10-13 hours listening to me out front, before I force myself to go lay beside my dearest wife, and calm it a wrap.
I can only add, for the small investment one can spend on plugs, I'm just surprised others haven't reported on said tandems which actually perform much much much better than others, if one is more into hearing music?, versus one's collection of audio gear that is?, more often than not, many simply focus their attention on what's coming from the gear, yet very seldom find themselves connected to the essence within the musical notes themselves, I guess I figured it out without having to spend tens or hundreds of thousands, or worse yet, having to pay some so-called guru upwards of $6000, to come to my home and move shit around, as if it's an act!, when Al, one must do is get off that flat ass ( this doesn't apply to the Brothers ) and relocate the speakers | rack(s) according to where each doesn't interfere with the others as far as standing sound waves, and pay added detail to isolation devices, as everything in audio reproduction cost, even attaching a few quarters around one's space chances the sound, pitch wise, try it, of all the different cultures I've been exposed since my days stationed in Japan, the most avid tweaker's of their systems have always been the Taiwanese, followed by the Japanese, where if one seriously thinks about this for a moment, whereas Western were placing their components on tall ass centrally located rack(s) between their speakers, that interfered with sound, the Japanese gear was always placed as close as possible to the floor ( and actually cut outs in their listening room showing bare earth ) because they knew long before many, the lower the stand ( rack | component ) is to the floor, causes less internal resonance | vibrations from the gear, which is always present while listening, it's only picked upon when one uses little devices like harmonic resonators like the NordOst | Furutech | iFi | Pulson types which minimizes the dirt traveling along our homes AC lines, which brings about a certain stillness | silence where one never wishing to go back to how things were before.
Home..., the final frontier, until the Creator calls us home that is, treat it as such, move things around, mix it up a little, ask the little lady to stand aside, and hold down the noise, and maybe you'll stumble upon a place where each component seemingly locks in!.
As the saying goes " it's all in the listening ", naysayers be damned.
Edits: 03/11/24
I don't understand why you were advised to stay away from the unplated silver iec, I have made the comparison to silver plated copper iec and find the unplated silver more nuanced and improved response with less colour.
Edits: 03/12/24
I didn't truthfully understand why I was told this either?, yet a part of me is thinking the both pure silver | raw copper at least used as IEC plugs might be harder to clean ( polish ) their surface areas as they're internally within the casing?. My one regret was not saving this individuals note on this, or asking for more clarification.I'm also trying to in hindsight avoid the harder hitting sound of having used a silver plated power cord with those IeGO 8095 Pure Silver - Rhodium Plated plugs on both ends, as nice as it sounded, that was a edge added to the leading notes which sprang outwards from the tweeters in a very very profound manner, which in fact sounded rather nice when said cord in question was used on either an Aurender X100L Music Server or a Denafrips Pontus ll, but as both to my ears offered a slightly warmer | more laidback presentation than the more upbeat and harder hitting EverSolo DMP-A6, having this extra sense of detailing to my ears merely took things to the extreme.
While I once again loved said components as used together ( both have long been sold in favor of the standalone EverSolo, which sound best fits my needs ) said silver plated cord, and earlier on a NearEAST Odin Gold were used on the Aurender, yet it wasn't until I placed the Accuphase pure copper cord on it, that I began hearing something different enough to love it as it stood, yet thanks again to you | several others I finally tried silver plated copper | un-plated copper which merely offers me the sound I've always craved without knowing it..., so once again as no one size fits all, I've to go with the shoe | gloves | clothing size which is comfortable for me, otherwise this quest would never end.
In this regards, I've to go by what I hear, as well as on which component I'm ideally trying to use said cord on as a means of offering just the right balance sonically, on another slightly more relaxed component, I'm certain pure silver connectors of all sorts might preform better?, as your main electronics are tube based I've to assume?, whereas my main 2 integrated amps are either solid state, or a hybrid type where added detailing would in fact take things to far towards the bright more analytical side of the audio spectrum, which I'd rather avoid.
Just trying my best to use common logic ( sense ) on what sounds | feels best in my particular means of voicing said individual components according to their prescriptive sound, as one type of power cord type, or plating of its plugs works on every component quite the same, which has to be again addressed by ear, no?.
Edits: 03/12/24
I just use the slim cotton pipe cleaners for iec,female xlr etc, once the end of the pipe cleaner is dirty then twist it back and forth to break it off and keep on using until it becomes too short where by you use a new one. I must admit I do enjoy cleaning connectors and know they are pristine again.
Let's see what your ears hear once your CC silver plug arrives and installs.
This mornings listening session has revealed a bigger soundstage with more attack, it's definitely opened up more now. Thats approx 150hrs now, Iam still on digital and loving it with all silver Copper Color except a plated iec into my balanced transformer. I will likely be ordering another CC iec to complete an all unplated silver installation.
What I need to do next is to hear what's going on by changing out a double rhodium receptacle in my Xangsane blue power receptacle to even the gold plated one or whatever, however no rush to do so yet for a couple of months.
That's a great method of cleaning, of which makes sense.
Yet I'll hold off for now as to using a pure silver iec, as once again I've to concerned in how the finale results come together collectively, as I'd rather avoid an overly emphasized top end, which is why I've come to like the flavors I already have, yet whom knows what the future holds?, so I'm not totally blind to the possibilities, just not in the particular placement.
I'll continue to await your findings on things as they progress | read into each post accordingly before acting upon said future endeavors | but never being one to say never, let's see where this goes?.
"An overly emphasised top end" " Eh " he's not heard unplated silver yet .
I'm done with any platings of any kind on my AC and IEC connectors ! IMHO unplated silver is in another world entirely as Iam listening further today confirms this with approximately 170 hrs on the latest purchase.
I'm looking forward to installing the AC Male, which via USPS | 17 Track shows it's down the road a bit in Illinois, so I've to assume it'll be here before the weekend.
Once again I'm open minded enough to have always loved diversity | change for the sake of knowing said truths.
Hi EL,
Getting ready for the swap-a-rooski on the male end. Gonna order a copper iec later today. I have a Furu silver iec, but I will try the copper one first.
I like the way you sign off using the BIG O...-Makes me think of Ocsar Robinson!!
Thank you kind sir for your posts!!
Tangram,
Going through this adventure together seemingly as one has indeed become something in which I look forward to, as you do offer me hope in keeping things like plugs done within reason, as I'm simply not trying to go backwards with those $800-$1359 IC's | $3000 SCs | $800 PCs, not when as you noted before I too am certain a long of the latter are merely $40-$60 PCs, where as you stated once the bling connectors are placed onto them, all of a sudden their asking price increases, if only more people as I've, pulled back the techflex on a lot of these cables | cords, where very seldom a claimed cable manufacturer pays enough attention to actually removing or covering up the OEM name or markings, hence my reason for having sold off 3 different pairs of tin plated copper SCs which cost $510 pair, whereas they were replaced with a very very very similar pair made in China ( of all places, how dare they make something that looks actually like those three costlier brands, eludes me " yeah right " ) live | learn | never be taken again I'd say.
As always I'm all ears | eyes on your findings, and indeed think I'm bold enough to follow suit, in the end it isn't as if I've to sell off body parts or pimp off the wife to buy said connectors, yet once again I just can't justify buying $300-$700 plugs for said Accuphase cord, so I'll be stopping or shopping within the $80-$120 per plug price range | even than as we've both noticed, I don't see any of the so-called big boys even offering pure silver power plug connectors.
And while I was very very athletic in my youth, standing 6' 6" tall, and weighing a very solid 245lbs on average between the ages of 13-45, ( where these days as weighed yesterday at the doctors office, 275lbs, still seems to stop guys from feeling the need to walk upon me while the wife and I are out for a stroll, shit..., visions of myself in the mirror scares me as well, my Mother refers to me as Baby Shaq, of course I don't see any sort of resemblance, so I tend to play it off, but underneath am chuckling ) and was the type that always seems to know how to go after rebounds, as excelled at sports, and regret not being in the right place, or time to have been discovered by some scout, as I know it, there are plenty of young men at the time where I felt were only to become playground legions within our communities, where if placed against a lot of these today's NBA players would put them to shame, many just never had the chance to get out of the hood as the saying goes, as more often than not these same kids dropped out of school and felt obligated to assist their single household Mothers in rearing their younger siblings, I've seen this on at least 17 occasions, where these kids were being offered full ride type scholarships at the ages of 12, but as life had other plans for them, a few even were killed playing ghetto games as the result of thinking carrying around a handgun makes one tough, it's only when the gun isn't within reach, they realize they're victims themselves.
The Big O, was initially intended as a " smiley face " as used with my standard email signature, but said emoji doesn't show here, hence the O_o, where the undercard slash is said smile.
Thanks for catching that by the way, as always I'm all in young fella, let the cards fall where they may?. Till then, Peace.
You nailed it el34, no doubt you will get the dreaded burn in swings, as iam today, after a weekend of not being able to have a sesssion. Iam getting some rather strange resonance on some notes and just lacking in vitality, oh well at least I know all about this transitional stage as I have experienced it a few times now !!!
Thanks Tangram,As I thought about my constant off topic rants can be off putting to some, but I'm certain we all have stories to tell, it's merely a matter of one's willingness to speak on said matters as they relate to our daily lives | experiences.
I've to suppose as someone whom once again worked as a primary audio hardware buyer, I learned decades ago to listen beyond the chances in the sound of cabling or components | had the ability to only focus on the actual playback of notes within the recordings, so while I've seen plenty of folks talk about items burning or settling in, I've only experienced once as far back as us moving into our apartment of which we've resided since November 2009, as my usual practice was always to place the AC Receptacles on either side of the system, at which point I'd perfectly locate the equipment stand, and speaker stands, and afterwards via the old Sumiko ( Audio Physics ) Master Set method for speaker placement, where I believe everything is locked into its best ( final ) position, I than carry on said listening sessions and never felt the need to relocate anything..., it's only after having established said placement for said items, that the furniture is carefully centered | located within this shared space, and never once moved.
My aging ears as they're, simply adapt to ways of listening beyond any extra noises from the electronics themselves, yet as hinted at in the post before last, I addresses noises traveling along the AC mains as far back as 2010, starting with a single Audioprism QuietLine, before having ended up with 3-4of the Add-Powr Electraclear eau4's placed around the primary room, with great effects I'd add, so feeling that I've paid attention to ways of producing an even quieter listening area, said types of weird noises other than what's within the recordings, don't catch me off guard anymore..., yet the sense again of little spatial details within the fiber of vocal and instrumental shadings of which I'm currently hearing are simply mind blowing in more ways than one, Man had I only experimented with the tandems of un-plated copper | pure silver | silver plated copper power connectors say 17 years ago, what might've been possible?. Yet I'd mention the combination I'm using in said location is once again an Oyaide AP-004 Beryllium Copper | Platinum-Palladium ACMale | Viborg VF502S Silver Plated Copper IEC Female Plugs.
I'll explore the Pure Silver CopperColour upon its arrival, and I was told by several of those guys that produce said power connectors, to avoid the Pure Silver IECs, for what struck me as maybe health reasons?, of which caused me to cancel my order on the latter and stick with un-plated copper or silver plated copper ones at the tail end of the cords I've selected, of which I just don't have any reason to doubt my hearing. I just know, in our home I can't justify using gold plating anywhere whatsoever.
It's like as much as I've loved the three variants of the Naim Nait's ( 5Si | XS-3 | SuperNait 3 ) over a period of time as Turan ( A British Audiophile) mentioned in his YouTube review of the former, they each apparently chop off the extreme top end detail, as an effort of making them more forgiving of older recordings | yet that extra microsecond or so that's required for proper rimshots | shimmering cymbal decay timing wise has been reduced, it's only when I compared each to the extremely nicely balanced little Heed Audio Obelisk Si MK lll, and its ink, that I honestly felt I was hearing every little sparkle | snap | crackle | pop as clearly as I ever had, which got me to thinking to myself after said Nait 5Si | SuperNait 3 were sold, if I had only had the wonderful sense of top end detail | beauty as rendered by a single pair of Xangsane XS-9001Ag IC's just how much it would've restored this sense of balance to the listening experience where I'd have lived with the latter version until the Creator had called me home.
I believe there are times where each of us have nice gear, yet also can overlook the little details like synergy | which cabling looms or types of plating connector wise, just might cause us to pause on the so-called next upgrade | simply enjoy listening long term, to where I've come to believe, if a system has been chosen wisely, one is less likely to change out things for at the bare minimum 10-15 years, depending upon the equipments overall design | quality of both external and internal components?.
These days, I just don't have the heart, nor the funds to buy a complete system including stands | cabling loom at around $50.000 or more, as those days of real checks are well behind me, so I make due by selecting said plating types of connectors | cables | PCs by ear, and it's weird...-, but the cheaper items to my mind have bought about a more enjoyable listening experience which is far greater than the much more expensive items each have replaced, here I'm taking both electronics | cables, go figure.
Edits: 03/11/24 03/11/24
As it stands I meant to add | my own personal experience has led me to only use the tandems of either silver plated copper ac | unplated copper iec , as well as a pure silver ac | silver plated copper iec plugs..., period.Our space is now, both gold | rhodium free, with the exception of the latter being soldered onto a pair of my cherished SCs, which as fate would've it,mi dare not change.
Until next time.
Peace B'onto Y'all.
Edits: 03/09/24
So In other words use it on the end which goes into the Puritan Audio Labs PSM-136 PLC?, I'd have never thought to have tried one there as opposed to having Oyaide " Armored Series " AP | AC 004 types on both ends of a third Greg Knight GK-6008Ag silver plated copper PC, which to my ears bettered their stock Xangsane rhodium plated copper?, or brass thingies?.
I'll replace it in the morning | as I've been spending the last 7 hours sampling and buying files to add to my collection, at this point both the eyes | mind are playing tricks on me, one of the blessings I suppose comes with aging, I mean that in a good way, as I've lost quite a few friends that were way younger than me, so I'm not complaining about the blessing of being fortunate enough to have reached my age, but as so long as the mind is still active | responds like a mid 30 year old, I'm very very happy with that.
I'll report back in shortly after breakfast.
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