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In Reply to: RE: Le Journey Continues posted by Tangram on January 26, 2024 at 10:19:56
I'm beginning to think I'm way overthinking this chasing different brands of plugs option thingies, as I already have quite a few of them sitting here from brands like Xangsane | Monosaudio | IeGO | Viborg and find myself looking at ones from Vanguard | SonarQuest as far as getting sets of gold plated copper ac | iec plugs.
So allow me to slow down and catch myself | use what's already in place..., yet once again trying to figure out whether or not which type of plating should be used as the AC?, and as the IEC has began to cause me more than a few sleepless nights.
As I'm able to distinguish quite different sonics of each of these brands | it's time to figure out which offsets the others more dominant signature?, once again it seems the balancing act has to come into play, as using two Viborg's to my ears lean more towards the slightly harder hitting side of the spectrum | whereas using a Monosaudio on one end or the other, offers a quieter more laid-backness to the sound which strikes me as a more delicate balance, all in all I've to once again say this has proven to be an extremely wonderful journey.
Yet as Tangram pointed out the tandem of silver | gold plated copper plugs offer many seemingly have overlooked in favor of narrowing their choices to just using rhodium alongside copper plugs, there's a lot to be learned should we all be open-minded to change ( growth ) and allow our imagination to soar.
Never settle on what might otherwise seem casted into stone, there are more options to explore than we allow ourselves to believe. But to know where this journey takes us?, we must submit to temptation of thinking our system sound their best without exploring the smallest of details, where connectors matter more than the wires the hold together, Chinese junk or not?.
Follow Ups:
I see the SonarQuest are cryoed , are you able to hear this as an attribute to the other offerings.
Just coming of their site, I have to wander, and very good prices for the basic range which as far as I can see are the same blades throughout their range. Easy to go for the basic and place in the Accuphase aluminium housing. Possibly thicker plating than Viborg and they do the silver plating.
Food for thought for possible further gains, should I be bothered!
Let's say the seed has been planted from the Viborg offerings Iam going to receive.
The prices are so reasonable anyway especially when you think of how much these audiophile fuses cost and blow!
Maybe my next purchase for the gold plug/iec or in reverse once I evaluate which way round ( if any ).
You're correct as the SonarQuest offerings do use a heavier plating layer compared to Viborg, yet as I've been warned against any plugs with a nickel plating alongside the others, I just placed the claimed Platinum Plated Copper ones aside for now.And I to began to notice that whether it was a companies entry level or top level plugs with some form of exotic aluminum shell housing, the plating of the blades were the same, and like you I've decided to stick with the Accuphase beautifully built | looking shell, to just flip said blades out from the entry - mid level makes instead.
Weird thing is I saw how many messages we've exchanged during this post | with very little to be heard from others, yet as I've received personal emails from 13 people, whom obviously weren't requested here, " but said thanks for doing a good job of sharing said advice ), whom would then ask about the Accuphase PC | plating options, it seems others have been watching from a distance after all, as I do tend to watch on average how many of these cords have sold since two months ago, as well as the YODN cord as listed here ( shows 500+ as sold ):
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Which means people are actually buying it..., a good sign in my book.
Once again, I had to catch myself as I tend to buy things more than twice, and am trying to sort through the sonic differences of each brand, as a means of placing two with similar house sound, which might becomes overly aggressive?, or on the other hand overly smooth to the point of putting me into a Power Nap ( bored to shit ) mode.
While I'm aware that IeGO along with the ETI Research Gold Plated Copper plugs are known for offering a faster | more responsive transient attack of notes | liver sound that say Furutech or Cardas plugs, I'm looking to use an IeGO 8065 Silver Plated Copper IEC that I've had laying here for over a year, but as much as I'd love to buy their stablemate 8075 Gold AC Male, that little person standing just to the left of me on my shoulder is speaking into my ear, saying what if it becomes overwhelming?, as opposed to using a brand with a slightly creamier signature which should ideally be an even greater match, synergistically speaking of course.
And once again, when I asked all three firms which make said plugs, which one should I go with if I'd only purchase one?, all of them stated start with the AC ( Head ) " as in like one ( marriage)relationships, where in the old days men ran their homes, and their wife's ( or woman ) only ran it in their absence, which sounds liberal, yet for the life of me I've never once heard a man ( or husband ) say to their children..., wait until your mother gets home, oh you're going to get it ".
All that to more are less say the AC " Male " according to what these guys, and many reviews I've followed on the subject of late, all feel it's the most dominant sound, whereas the IEC " Female " ( oops, there goes the overly aggressive | controlling male figure in me once again ) simply follows his lead, and sings in tune. " BUT " like you I've stated buying sets of each, should I at some point wish to change things up just a tad?, which then leads to another important factor of which I haven't done in awhile..., and that's to change out the actual IEC Inlets on several of my components to better suit the incoming IEC plug according to plating type(s), so I ordered two different flavors of the ones produced by Viborg ( one gold and the other rhodium as shown above ) as I figure gold would perform better with a silver plated plug | whereas rhodium would bring about just enough change to match a gold plated incoming plug, no?.
And while I can't once again solder worth a F_ck, I've always been active in changing out passive components ( like RCA Jacks and Connectors | Binding Post | Banana Plugs ) on amplification | speakers | cables which can be either screwed or bolted down with an O lug or screw sets.
Either way, once again this has opened both my minds and eyes ( actually ears ) to such a wonderful sound, I can only hope others take our words seriously?, not that I care in the least, but it'd be nice to know my ( our ) hearing hasn't quite failed us just yet.
As always I'll catch you on the flip side, have a great | safe week young fella.
Edits: 01/28/24
Yes the nickel plating, maybe the cryo makes up for this ?Anyway, further thoughts, as I have a spare short Accuphase wire , I will terminate with Xangsane rhodium and the gold plated cyko iec and see what that brings to the table in lieu of the gold and silver Accuphase I now regard as being my reference connecting to the blue Xangsane receptacle.
Mixing again yellow metal with white metal.
Edits: 01/28/24
Maybe?, yet I'd doubt it. At this point as I've learned over the years to stick with brands known to use only pure copper as their base metal, with a layer of say silver, followed by another of 24Kt gold as far as the gold versions go.
After having heard what's possible with first a silver plated ac and copper iec, followed by now silver ac and gold iec, as of yesterday, as since around 6:48 this morning until now, I'm looking to replace the rhodium ac's on the two Accuphase cords I've placed onto the bedroom system.
Chris ( Kam ) got this one right, while rhodium does offer a somewhat larger soundstage across one's listening area, it isn't as 3 dimensional or holographic in the same manner as the silver plated option, which in our space has artists | musicians properly placed as if in unison like a professional ranked marching band, where precision is vital. This placement of instruments has me more and more absorbed in how each music technique ( good, or bad? ) shines through more clearly..., I'm listening to Marc Copland Trio playing the track " The Bell Tolls " at this very second and the interaction between his piano | Drew Gress on Bass | Bill Stewart on Drums is simply moving, I've long felt since 1968, I've never heard a record label with recorded drums ( essentially cymbals | little percussive sounds ) quite as clearly | cleanly as ECM Records, where to my mind some of the recordings on Posi-Tone or CrissCross come in a close second and third.
With jazz, it's often how the acoustic bass, followed by the drum kit and pianist catches me just right, where everything simply sounds on song ( as in clipping on all cylinders ) as if the musicians themselves are seriously enjoying themselves, as opposed to how some are simply looking for a check, and their playing rather boring spotlights this all to easily for someone with an ear for pitch, as well as an emotional attachment from the music itself, no need for HiFi parlor tricks, I'm more than content with the plugs as they're, yet with an open mind as always be keen on seeing what your findings are?.
Yellow - White Metal indeed.
Hello guys,
I have been following this thread with great interest and I have been exchanging emails with Oscar occasionally. I decided to ask some questions here as they could benefit others too. So here it goes:
1) How does the modified Accuphase cable compare with the Grey Knight / Xangsane P-6008Ag power cable? Which one do you prefer?
2) Has anyone attempted to change the AC and IEC connectors of the above Xangsane cable?
Thanks guys and I really appreciated the effort and time of all of you.
Hello Greg,
As far as I'm aware only Dantheman and I've the Greg Knight GK-9008Ag PC, where in my case it easily surpassed | eventually replaced both of the Viborg 1606 | 1501, as well as two different models of the NEARdost ( Odin 2 | Odin Gold ) PCs which were first placed on a Pathos Acoustics Classic Model One MK ll hybrid integrated amp, followed by being used on a Naim Audio SuperNait 3, which was the first time I actually thought to try a silver plated copper power cord on either.
To say I was immediately impressed with the sense of spaciousness | silence to notes | better grip on the IEC plugs was enough for it to become my primary cord in said location in two different setup throughout our space. Yet admittedly I did change out the stock Rhodium blades, as I wasn't certain of their true to copper base metal roots, and used a Monosaudio M109R rhodium AC | IeGO 8075 Copper IEC, where both have remained since their inception, which might change now that I've two sets of both Silver Plated Copper and Gold Plated Copper AC | IEC's on the way.
Yet as it stands..., but the Greg Knight | Accuphase ( the latter modified with said Silver | Copper plugs plays very very nicely ) of which I see as being here for the long haul, as I've sworn off even looking at other brands or type of wiring as far as PCs go. Each offers a different set of sonic features which draw me into the music in such a manner whereas more costlier cords couldn't approach | in fact for the sole purpose of being used on my music server, the Accuphase replaced essentially a $600 Silver Plated Copper Cord with Pure Silver - Rhodium Plated plugs on both ends, of which I missed this cords sense of speed | snapping bass line | top end extension and so on within the first two days or so, but as my ears | senses began to adjust to a more refined | beautiful | relaxed type of presentation I found it took the slightly edge off of the everSOLO DMP-A6, of which some referred to as bright, whereas I on the other hand heard it as detailed, of which I've come to prefer over an overly warm | watered down type of signature which only purpose is to put me to sleep even faster.
Said cord in which the Accuphase PC replaced:
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/650045790-jena-labs-crimson-red-rx-power-cord-iego-8095-ac-iec-plugs/
In my world, as this statement might come across to some as being brash?, it will always comedown to how I hear " Mi-Fi " as carefully voiced to suit not someone else's taste or preferences, but my own.
At this point I can only focus on looking outwardly | towards the future, which both both of these PCs have secured a spot in my system | as well life..., one more custom made Monosaudio Silver Plated Copper AC to be shipped, as shown above, and I'm done with the whole concept of PCs, for that I'm certain ( or am I? ) the shadow knows.
Oscar,
thanks for our response and as always I appreciate your input.
I think I will order this week some Accuphase and some Grey Knight power cables. The plan is to order enough of them and fit them with different connectors and compare the said cables. I have enough connectors except the silver plated ones. I may have to order some of them too.
Do you feel they need some burning/ settling time?
I will post my findings once the items are ordered, received and modified.
Thanks again!
Greg,As always | often you're more than welcome. In life I've come to believe in what " I hear " and only feel the desire to speak on them publicly as I've to believe many would in fact understand why I love both of these power cords. Much like some make generalizations on tube brands like the European Sisters they've offered called, like Amperex | Mullard | Telefunken, yet more importantly is the actual factory each were produced in, carries more weight, as they were often built in different locations, where some factories offered a far better sound than another | even then, how does each of these compare to say tubes made by CSF Thompson or Mazda " Long Black Plates | D-Getter NOS 1952-56 "( France ) or TEN Kobe or NEC " Long Grey Plates | Square Getter NOS 1956-63 " ( Japan ) or Lorenz " Long Black Plates | D-Getter NOS 1951-57 " ( Germany ), one needs to have a solid point of reference, lest they wish to settle on the more commonly found brands from any given era, while not willing to invest in the more advanced or musical versions made to date.
Areas like tubes | turntables | cartridges | now cabling looms are where I've spent decades studying what's what, and while I grew tired of posting as far back as 2016, it's only when I feel something needs to be shared with others, that I feel obliged to put fingers to keyboard ( pad ) and make an effort to share said findings ( discoveries ) once again in hopes that others will get it?, and if not?, I won't lose a bit of sleep, especially knowing as the old song went " I did it my way ", and glad that I've followed my own path, as opposed to being misled by others whom seemingly at times choose to remain clueless, which I'm more than okay will.
To study said items is knowledge | which in itself turns to wisdom | once learned after having lived with, one then knows truth.
I don't believe there's not much one can't hear with either of them straight out of their respective boxes, that won't shine through, but changing out the blades according to one's chosen flavor is vital.
Once again...-, you're welcome.
O_o scar
Edits: 01/29/24
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